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41 minutes ago, Olaf said:

he can do it on-line, it's all pretty speedy!

 

yes less than 2 hrs later it was "his"

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Pretty happy with my 80per year including parking. 

I also take my own responsibility for the safety of my vehicle by an emissions check only once every two years. 

If I crash due to the safety of my vehicle I'm liable. And will likely be sued.

No hand holding by the government. It can be both good and bad. 

I probably end up paying more through insurance to protect my liability than the fee system NZ has. 

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1 hour ago, Driftit said:

Pretty happy with my 80per year including parking. 

I also take my own responsibility for the safety of my vehicle by an emissions check only once every two years. 

If I crash due to the safety of my vehicle I'm liable. And will likely be sued.

No hand holding by the government. It can be both good and bad. 

I probably end up paying more through insurance to protect my liability than the fee system NZ has. 

TBH I am glad for NZ's WOF system, most people can't be trusted with car safety, some will skimp to save money and others are just ignorant. Grew up in South Africa and you get all kinds of s**t on the roads. The liability and consequences don't stop people taking the risks in the first place.
It's not just cars, but trucks from companies skimping on maintenance to save money, and some have killed 20-30 people in a single crash from faulty brakes
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/fields-hill-accident-faulty-truck-should-not-have-been-on-the-road-20161123

Also I find it strange that they implement emissions testing but not safety testing over there, you'd think safety would be the first priority 😕

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3 hours ago, Matth5 said:

TBH I am glad for NZ's WOF system, most people can't be trusted with car safety, some will skimp to save money and others are just ignorant.


Also I find it strange that they implement emissions testing but not safety testing over there, you'd think safety would be the first priority 😕

Errr, given our current disarray with WoF testing, I'm not certain your trust/confidence is somewhat misplaced!

Equally, I'm stunned that having returned from one of the most polluted cities in the world more than 20 years ago, where we had annual emissions testing, that NZ has shied away from this.  We badly need laws protecting emissions control systems, and ensuring vehicles used on the roads conform to emmissions standards. 

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5 hours ago, Driftit said:

I also take my own responsibility for the safety of my vehicle by an emissions check only once every two years. 

surprised they check the emissions on the gas guzzling V6/V8 fleet (that somehow the giant trucks that are everywhere are not included in the calculation for)

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1 hour ago, Olaf said:

Errr, given our current disarray with WoF testing, I'm not certain your trust/confidence is somewhat misplaced!

Equally, I'm stunned that having returned from one of the most polluted cities in the world more than 20 years ago, where we had annual emissions testing, that NZ has shied away from this.  We badly need laws protecting emissions control systems, and ensuring vehicles used on the roads conform to emmissions standards. 

I know about the issues with the WOF system and it's full of holes yes, but it's a hell of a lot better than no checks at all, I've seen how well that goes.

While we don't have emission testiong, WOF checks are supposed to fail vehicles for excessive smoke. But I still see some, presumably tradie vehicles, on the roads, I suspect dodgy/incompetent WOF inspections. Cops should be pulling them over.
Besides that I wouldn't be too concerned about the odd person with a decat exhaust (disclosure: I'm one of them) as that will only ever be done by a very tiny minority, it's not even worthwhile to do on most cars. 

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3 hours ago, Olaf said:

Errr, given our current disarray with WoF testing, I'm not certain your trust/confidence is somewhat misplaced!

Equally, I'm stunned that having returned from one of the most polluted cities in the world more than 20 years ago, where we had annual emissions testing, that NZ has shied away from this.  We badly need laws protecting emissions control systems, and ensuring vehicles used on the roads conform to emmissions standards. 

Why... What are we going to achieve by that? Our total population is smaller than the cities of most countries in the world. We are a drop in the ocean. To do this is only going to hurt the poor who don't have the means to repair a non conforming older vehicle that they rely on everyday day, or buy newer 'cleaner' vehicle. 

 

I'm surprised the current lot of out of touch bludgers in parliament haven't pushed for this, especially the Greens. I'm of the opinion that if they could, they'd be taxing cars relative to their engine size or claimed fuel use, and a RUC type system for all vehicles. Their hate for the motor vehicle and the freedom they give us is apparent. Hell, look at WCC and their anti car initiatives. I have a house in Island Bay and still spew every time I drive up the monstrosity that is The Parade. 

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4 hours ago, coop said:

Why... What are we going to achieve by that? Our total population is smaller than the cities of most countries in the world. We are a drop in the ocean. To do this is only going to hurt the poor who don't have the means to repair a non conforming older vehicle that they rely on everyday day, or buy newer 'cleaner' vehicle. 

I don't buy that argument.  It functioned very well in a city with far greater contrast between rich and poor, and certainly greater poverty than anywhere in (essentially middle-class) New Zealand.  You can try and apply "poor people can't afford it" to any form of taxation; we're a welfare society so no doubt will be able to implement some scheme or benefit to help those who need it.  That it's difficult or costly is not an argument to avoid cleaning up our emissions act in our own country!   What troubles me is that without any form of positive encouragement, people aren't bothering to do the basics like change plugs and air filter.

4 hours ago, coop said:

Hell, look at WCC and their anti car initiatives. I have a house in Island Bay and still spew every time I drive up the monstrosity that is The Parade. 

I agree.  It's still a disaster zone; you have my sympathies.  We now look back at the open homes we attended (in a very nice community) when we were buying, as a lucky escape.  Who could've forseen this madness? 

 

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Most of the arguments about cars, old cars, emissions, car use and so on could be fixed... If NZ had anything vaguely approaching a public transport system. The Greens know this, but cannot see beyond their policies to a solution.
Think about it. If you want to get from Auckland to Wellington, there are two options. Car, or plane. Or coaches (with an unknown service history). Try going across to Hawkes Bay or Taranaki and your options reduce.
NZ had a half-decent train service until around 1985... The 'incipient' Hamilton-Auckland passenger service is being touted as almost revelatory, yet anyone can see the disused stations along the line. The 'issues' being discussed are presented as huge and all-but insurmountable, yet it did work. Quit finding problems. Start finding answers. (The leader of the National Party could learn a lot from that.)
The frankly ludicrous Auckland Airport-CBD rail link is an exercise in f**kwittery that I've not seen in a long, long time. What idiot thought it'd be a good idea to build a brand new line, over significant gradients, along existing roads through already built-up and out residential areas??? Build it into Manukau, connect south to Hamilton, and you've got a cheaper, easier, faster link to the country. Of course, many Aucklanders forget there's anything south of the Bombays.

Transport in NZ (North Island) is truly not a difficult problem to solve. Stop resurfacing roads with pathetic excuses for techniques. Sort the rail lines. Instigate *service* rather than penny pinching and profiteering.
The South Island is a more complex matter. The Kiwi insistence on battling adversity means access to remote areas is essential, but use of any service would, in some cases, be on an almost ad hoc basis. Roading around Kaikoura is evidence of the difficulties faced, but it's not an isolated problem.

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The difference between now and the 1980s and before is that our roads, our cars and independence have improved greatly. 

I don’t think rail will ever come back as a viable freight or passenger service (outside of the cities) for the fact we have such a small spread out population over difficult topography, and no community is self sistanable like decades gone by. Ie time sensitive pre packaged salads from Mangere are on the shelves in Invercargill and berries from Timaru are sold in Tauranga etc. 

the Hamilton - Auckland passenger rail service is a joke and the media are too scared to scrutinise. 90mins Hamilton to Papakura. Have they done any reasearch as to where Hamilton commuters work? My bet would be majority in the airport and East Tamaki areas. Requiring a connecting bus or connecting train and bus. If going to eaither of those areas, or the CBD, one is looking at a 2 hour minimum commute plus the travel time to the Hamilton station and waiting around for the train... 5 hours daily commute?!?! 

And to top it off the service is the same price Porirua to Wellington train so a huge waste of money .

 

olaf - to be honest I don’t think the Island Bay cycleway has affected house prices much or at all. It is still one of the more desirable suburbs in Wgtn. Luckily all houses on that stretch of road have ample off street parking. No argument that it has become more dangerous for every road user including cyclists, especially with cars entering and exiting a driveway. 

Im guessing you haven’t seen what they have planned for Berhampore and Newton? 

Adelaide Rd, Russel Tce, Riddiford St, Waripori St cycleway will see to loose 600 car parks! 

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VTNZ failed me on my WOF as cert plate for adjustable suspension incorrectly states wheels as 18x8 F and 18x8.5 R when both are 8.5 wide.

Think because i run 245 front and 265 rear the cert guy got it wrong but that was two years ago, goodluck to me convincing him that he made a mistake and not that I changed wheels.

Also took VTNZ 4 WOF’s to notice....

 

 

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16 minutes ago, andrewm said:

VTNZ failed me on my WOF as cert plate for adjustable suspension incorrectly states wheels as 18x8 F and 18x8.5 R when both are 8.5 wide.

Think because i run 245 front and 265 rear the cert guy got it wrong but that was two years ago, goodluck to me convincing him that he made a mistake and not that I changed wheels.

Also took VTNZ 4 WOF’s to notice....

 

 

Time to get a pair of crappy 18x8s just so you pass wof lol.

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23 minutes ago, andrewm said:

VTNZ failed me on my WOF as cert plate for adjustable suspension incorrectly states wheels as 18x8 F and 18x8.5 R when both are 8.5 wide.

That's a good example of where our system totally fails, in many cases we're looking at the wrong thing. 

On 12/30/2018 at 12:50 PM, gjm said:

...No rego and no cert makes it uneconomic.

Okay, gotca. But I'd say the rego is irrelevant in this case. If a car needs a cert it needs a cert, period. Rego, WoF whatever, it needs a cert.

Anyone selling an uncertified car for road use without disclosing the compliance requirements is dodgy, period. If it could have been certified they would have certified it. Their reputation is dust, walk away.

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50 minutes ago, zero said:

Time to get a pair of crappy 18x8s just so you pass wof lol.

This is likely what i'll do while I try get cert plate sorted, dont think 28 days for a recheck is long enough even if it goes well.

New Rants

- the guy at beaurepairs that wanted two new 255 width tires but only prepared to spend $80 each. 

- The lower control arm on my C63's are knackered and they are exclusive to the c63 so they are ~$500 USD each, ... each. They are so remarkably similar to the upper control arms at $86 each....

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1 hour ago, andrewm said:

VTNZ failed me on my WOF as cert plate for adjustable suspension incorrectly states wheels as 18x8 F and 18x8.5 R when both are 8.5 wide.

Think because i run 245 front and 265 rear the cert guy got it wrong but that was two years ago, goodluck to me convincing him that he made a mistake and not that I changed wheels.

Also took VTNZ 4 WOF’s to notice....

 

 

You can't get away saying they're OE sizes (if they are)?

My car had it's standard wheels at time of cert so the plate only says 'OE' for wheels. Even though I have wider aftermarket wheels now, it has passed its WOFs. Or you could just go somewhee else, probably a good chance it'll get missed or they won't fail on it (surely some WOF guys will have some discretion?). 

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7 minutes ago, Matth5 said:

You can't get away saying they're OE sizes (if they are)?

My car had it's standard wheels at time of cert so the plate only says 'OE' for wheels. Even though I have wider aftermarket wheels now, it has passed its WOFs. Or you could just go somewhee else, probably a good chance it'll get missed or they won't fail on it (surely some WOF guys will have some discretion?). 

I had inquired about this with the certifier but he insisted that wheel sizes needed to be listed as he was certifying a suspension system.

I then attempted to start a stupid argument about why then were all the other components not listed, roll bar thickness, spring thickness, number of coils, dampening settings etc. While I was waiting for some mediocre reasoning like 'because wheels are easy to change' or ' unsprung mass blah blah' I think he realised that I am a level 99 sarcastic prick and didnt even try - 'those are the rules, I didnt make them' was the best I could get out of him.

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