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Nope saw the advert which reinforced view of the particular model

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A pic for the interested - 130,000km on the clock spent the last couple of weaks teaching it to walk again after a 4 year hibernation. Only one noisy drive belt idler bearing 

Currently known as the weatbix car because its got about one of them ( i.e short on grunt) 

 Came with H&R springs for the front ( not fitted ) will decide whether I want to tackle the rear torsion bars as thats the only means to lower the rear to match. 

the weatbix.jpg

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Relax Col, the Peugeot is just a subterfuge and a training car for the teenagers - the real plan is the rebuild of the 328 - but that said even the wheatbix car should be on it's game 

328 plan - 190kW and about 340Nm  from:

  • hot cams, lightweight alloy flywheel, carbon intake manifold, possibly 11.3:1 or 11.6:1  compression pistons
  • plus new engine & gearbox mounts carbon X frame and carbon sway bar.  
  • New underbody tray at the front and carbon diffuser  at the rear .

To do all of that I need to have the car off the road and on a hoist   so  the weatbix will also do some daily drive duty while teaching the teanagers. 

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FYI jon

Vin identifier for UK built 306's is SDB  for French built ones it is VF3 - true to form mine is a VF3 so the real deal a French car made in France - bit like a German car made in Germany not one of those nasty thrown together SA  parts bin specials built to get around all of the sanctionas against the apartheid regime? 

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11 hours ago, Young Thrash Driver said:

That intake mani sounds interesting, are you making your own?

Yes, completed a mould last year so getting the gear ready to make it. It needs to be vacuum bagged because of the complex shape so the kit to do that is what is holding me up, the key attributes of the manifold are:

  • Runners 20mm shorter than M52 - to match new cams and engine power profile,
  • retains moderate velocity at low speed for good torque,
  • retains step impendance at head to provide high impedance to reverse flow waves,
  • has 20% more flow than the M52 manifold at 4,000 RPM
  • has 30% more flow at 5,000 RPM
  • and 40% more flow at 6,000 RPM

The tract shape has a conventional taper from the plenum to enable the flow characteristics and I have built the plenum mould so that I can use different throtttle body set ups.

Also have an M3 airbox with the larger mounting for the air flow sensor  and I have a complete system from the front of the airbox into the area behind the grill that can  deliver the full low required with no pressure drop.  

Modelling suggests around  200 kW with all mods

 

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On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:11 PM, 3pedals said:

FYI jon

Vin identifier for UK built 306's is SDB  for French built ones it is VF3 - true to form mine is a VF3 so the real deal a French car made in France - bit like a German car made in Germany not one of those nasty thrown together SA  parts bin specials built to get around all of the sanctionas against the apartheid regime? 

Interesting, by the VIN identifier are you referring to the first 3 alphanumerics of the 17? That is strange, as I always understood that those related to the Manufacturer of the car, not the country, etc. ALL BMWs, whether built in DE, ZA, or USofA are WBAxxxxxxx, ALL MINIs built in UK or AU are WMWxxxxxxx, all BMW M Gmbh are WBSxxxxxxx regardless of whether DE or USofA. Possibly it changes from manufacturer to manufacturer, but then the whole purpose of a VIN is to be an international standard? Possibly different divisions of PSA motor group, hard to remember the company structure as it's a few sleeps ago now. If it is a French built one, then that is good as they are well known for their excellent build quality, unless it was built after the 3hour lunch break!

Looks like the Diablo Red Metallic in the photo, on a 3-dr hatch which is a good combo, very similar to the DTurbo I had for many moons. Which interior does it have, has it got the sports seats? Would look better with the drop and a set of the S16 or GTi-6 alloys on it. The rear torsion bar is not too hard to drop from memory, took about half a day with a few other  bits and bobs whilst I was in there IIRC.

Only thing wrong with the 306 is that it is not as much "fun" as the 205. Probably faster, and better handling, but just not as much "fun" if you know what I mean.

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Hi Jon,  Yes the forst three are  what the cal the WMI or world  manufacturer Identifier the code structure on the Saab is the same as outlined below

 from memory the structure of the code is":  

  • first 3 - WMI - ( World Manufaturer Identifier) which covers:  Country, Region / maker, vehicle
  • check digit
  • next 5 - VDS - ( Vehicle description  which covers model and engine
  • check digit
  • year code
  • last 7 plant and sequential number

Basic interior as it is a "style" model  part from making it safer and faster and maybe better front seats the intention  is really to use it as a run around and tech teh kids to drive properly including dealing with "" Oversteer""

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Yeah, must be different from company to company then, no BMW group VIN fits that pattern. Lots of people get confused with online VIN decoders which don't work with BMWs.

Whats NZ like for used Pug parts? Don't see many on the road, but that could be because most of them are not in service any more. Lots of specialist Peugeot breakers in the UK, made it so easy for getting bits and swapping things in and out.

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41 minutes ago, E30 325i Rag-Top said:

Yeah, must be different from company to company then, no BMW group VIN fits that pattern. Lots of people get confused with online VIN decoders which don't work with BMWs.

Whats NZ like for used Pug parts? Don't see many on the road, but that could be because most of them are not in service any more. Lots of specialist Peugeot breakers in the UK, made it so easy for getting bits and swapping things in and out.

Nope, BMW conforms with the ISO standard VIN coding system and if you use a ISO conforming decoder you get results --  W is the allocated letter for Germany  A (third letter)   is BMW e.g. WBA etc.

The Americans have their own VIN  sytem which looks very similar except they allocate some of the WMI sequence to specific maufacturers e.g. Harley Davidson has HD  and they have two check digits in their system as mandatory where as the European system actually doesnt have check digits so they use the digit allocation for other detail

If you use an Americam system based VIN decoder you will get errors

Parts are okay, got a genuine new accessory belt idler last week new was $63.00 about the same as most makes.

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For those interested here are the BMW WMI codes  W = Germany  S= Britain  3/4/5 is north america ( built and sold)  X5 built in North Carolina for the international market are "built by BMW Ag'  so have the WBA WMI code and then L or M  as the first character of the last 7 digits which is the North Carolina plant. 

1-3. Stelle   Linie Linie Linie Linie Linie Linie Linie  
World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI) nach ISO 3780
BMW AG München - WBA
BMW Motorsport GmbH München - WBS
BMW BMW Motorräder - WB1
BMW US Markt P.C. - 4US
BMW US Markt P.C. Motorsport GmbH - 5UM
BMW US Markt P.C. MPV - 5UX
BMW AG Werk Oxford (Mini) - WMW
BMW Rolls Royce Hireus - SA9
BMW Rolls Royce Goodwood - SCA
BMW CKD Mexiko - 3AV
BMW CKD Avtotor, Kaliningrad - X4X
BMW CKD Thailand - MMF
BMW South Africa (bis 1999) - NC0
Magna Steyr - WBX

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Your source is a little bit out of date but mostly correct with just the newer stuff missing, Spartanburg is well past the L & M VINs now due to the number of vehicles built there, up to the J and K numbers now.

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Yes it is,  but  the point is they DO use the ISO based VIN coding system and follow the WMI / VDS / Unique identifier pattern outlined earlier  (which is contrary to the view you expressed above). 

This comment : " no BMW group VIN fits that pattern"

WMI  allocations are pre defined and give an indication to the region as demonstrated in the example above ---  this bit " W = Germany  S= Britain  3/4/5 is north america ( built and sold)" the us also use 1&2 

VDS is a manufacturer specifc coding system that fits within the ISO framework , in the ISO  standard it can include safety features by using the checksum location  

Neither this post nor the previous one sets out to detail the entire ISO 3779 / ISO 3780  VIN criteria  they just reference it to demonstrate the point -. 

 

 

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On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 12:57 PM, 3pedals said:

 from memory the structure of the code is":  

  • first 3 - WMI - ( World Manufaturer Identifier) which covers:  Country, Region / maker, vehicle
  • check digit
  • next 5 - VDS - ( Vehicle description  which covers model and engine
  • check digit
  • year code
  • last 7 plant and sequential number

As usual you are contradicting yourself. The sequence you listed here, is not the same as the one you are now referencing.

For BMW: First 3 WMI yes, check digit - no, next 5 VDS - no its 4, check digit no, year code - close model year code. Last 7 - "plant" part has become redundant due to overall number of vehicles produced by the bigger plants.

Anywho, back to your great example of French engineering eh?

 

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Really ?? read the posts in sequence and objectively 

Check codes are optional as the americans use / used them  3779 was the original standard 3780 took this forward  both use  the same base 17 digit structure WMI VDS / Unique identifier , just the allocation changes to accommodate what you say more vehicles. 

Yes it is Diablo red and it is running really well kids enjoy and more confident driving it due to better handling and easier to place on the road. 

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59 minutes ago, 3pedals said:

Yes it is Diablo red and it is running really well kids enjoy and more confident driving it due to better handling and easier to place on the road. 

Better handling than what?

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8 hours ago, Young Thrash Driver said:

Better handling than what?

The Saab -  the original subject of this post (not a patch on the 328 or the X5) otherwise known as Ett Bat ( Swedish for the "the boat")  

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Round trip - Hamilton, Rotorua, Tauranga and back to Auckland - averaged 8.6l/100k

New Aero suspension really good on the open road, can still feel the large lump of cast iron ahead of the front axle which spoils the dynamics on an undulating twisty road.

Embarrassed some muppet in a V8 toyota driving at 70k in the passing lane when he got dragged off  by an invalid cart. The low pressure turbo technology is abeautiful thing. 

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