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Sense prevails - Speedway going to south auckland

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You must know just how contentious this post is!

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Now Norman is really looking forward to his new neighbours, the cricketers.

Norman likes writing letters. Council likes receiving letters from Norman. 

That's a win-win.

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Well aware how so called contentious it might be but people are make a contentious drama out of this on tenuous subjective , emotional and irrational arguments often hinging them on isolated incidents like the one captured above - Norman is a dickhead. 

For a venue of any type to be financially sucessful it has to be able to have frequent well patronised events  and if the venue is a race track then it it going to make a lot of noise to be financially viable. Venues in residential areas are limited in the amount and frequency of noise they can make  and that is a reasonable balance of 'land / resource use'.

So having a race track in a residential area just doesn't fly regardless of how many irrational arguments you throw at it. - Why is the Wellington cake tin close to the railway station - why did Aucklanders end up paying a heinous amount of money to get the public transport to link the downtown bars to Eden park for a one off event?? 

Put it somewhere well connected with space for parking , amenities and compliemntary activities and you can probably make it work financially and that is what the commercial people at speedway have worked out -- Bill Buckley has banged his head and wasted ratepayers money for 16 years trying to keep speedway in Western Springs. - Bill Buckley is a dickead - just like Norman. 

Had he looked at the economics objectively he would have BOUGHT cheap land out by the airport , built a motorsport park and he would now be CREAMING it. But no Aucklanders have being paying the consultants bills,  legals bills  for each onslaught and subsidising the venue instead.  Hopefully they will put the light rail link in and we will all be able to get there and maybe if they are smart they will build a venue car clubs can use rather than trawling off to Hampton downs and or  a decent cart track ?? 

 

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Not for or against the movea sign of the times. Just a typical excample of rampant urban development being aloud to occur over the years with  no forsight of the future and the repercusions their with. 

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I was looking up where Glendene is the other day. In 2001 the population of the area was 816. In 2006 it was 12189. More than 10x the size in less than 5 years.

There's your problem - explosive, unsustainable and unplanned population growth. House prices now are a symptom of the problem; closure of the speedway is another.

It is a sign of the times. A sad one, but that's the way things are going.

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Think your facts are a bit skewed along with the Logic, Glendene was developed in the 60's/70's  population in  2001 would have been well into the thousands and that is not the problem it is the reality (except for the hyperbole about the unsustainable & unplanned bit). Cities grow and intensify - thats a given so we need to re-evaluate the uses  within our city. 

So back to the sport venue issue  -- Sports venues are best suited to lower land cost areas with good transport connections so they can get people in, be commercially viable and not have a negative impact on surrounding inhabitants. 

In the late 40's/ 50's when Western springs was established as a multipurpose venue it was on the low cost fringe, it was connected by great north road and it had a tram service that relative to the population was better than the current public transport , It had pubs, prostitutes and opium dens what more could you want for a bit of after match relaxing & socialising and very few neighbours to disrupt. 

Now in 2018  where would we plan to put a multipurpose venue - try in a location with good transport links , access to " after match activities, and  considerate of impact on surrounding users -  Just like the did in the 1950's.

The development of Wynyard quarter has dragged out and is creating less than half of the value it was supposed to - so would any docks type development of the port --  The stadium on the port site makes sense for all of those reasons - its shitty reclaimed land, surrounded largely by hospitality and brothels and has the CBD between it and most suburbs. 

Equally a motorsport venue anywhere but in the middle of the suburbs makes sense- we just need to have it connected and serviced and time to get rid of the liability Eden park as well 500 mil of taxpayers money flushed down the toilet in 20 years. 

 

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10 minutes ago, 3pedals said:

Think your facts are a bit skewed along with the Logic, Glendene was developed in the 60's/70's  population in  2001 would have been well into the thousands and that is not the problem it is the reality (except for the hyperbole about the unsustainable & unplanned bit). Cities grow and intensify - thats a given so we need to re-evaluate the uses  within our city. 

The figures are from Stats NZ, and taken from the census in the two years mentioned.
No hyperbole involved - it is fact. The council did not plan, expect or in any way prepare for a more than 10x growth in that area. The support for such expansion did not exist (and some may say still doesn't - but that would be hyperbole).

I cited this as an indication of the sort of change areas around Auckland have gone through. Whether cricket or rugby are as susceptible to wholesale relocation is debatable - I suspect they will be.

Let's face it - Auckland is an appallingly badly planned place. Access is rubbish, and sprawl is all-but uncontrolled, being determined by the whims of developers rather than any real effort to create a sustainable and cost-effective, and accessible, environment. Common sense decisions just aren't made, and ludicrous ideas such as the Airport-CBD rail link shouldn't even be discussed let alone seriously considered.

Western Springs was in the right place at the time it was established. It has found itself in the wrong place through no fault of it's own, or of anyone involved. It's closure/relocation will be problematic but will hopefully, eventually, be a good thing and a benefit to the area(s) involved and the country as a whole.

Until the usual lack of foresight is revealed and it needs to be moved again.

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Planning in Auckland is just like any other large city, hamstrung by the poor decisions of the past and lack of imagination for the future.

I've worked in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Brisbane Melbourne, Perth, Sydney, The hague, Amsterdam Rotterdam and Paris. 

Auckland is fine  and so is its' planning - it's the getting it done that is the issue with all the whingers going on about whats wrong with the plan rather than looking at what is right with it. 

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Pffft, all the haters gonna be hating as we hop on our monorail to jet off to watch quidditch with our lentil eating fam. 

 

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Won’t moving the speedway allow them to develop a better facility that’s better served by the various transport links? 

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Next to the airport, down puhunui road/goat track. 

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8 hours ago, 3pedals said:

Planning in Auckland is just like any other large city, hamstrung by the poor decisions of the past and lack of imagination for the future.

I've worked in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Brisbane Melbourne, Perth, Sydney, The hague, Amsterdam Rotterdam and Paris. 

Auckland is fine  and so is its' planning - it's the getting it done that is the issue with all the whingers going on about whats wrong with the plan rather than looking at what is right with it. 

Sorry disagree totally planning for the future in Auckland is a Joke also evident in almost all New Zealand citys.Get some people with the right ideas and balls to put them in place might be a good place to start. Then have a very good look at the present red tape planners etc are having to deal with time for a complete overhaul.The current idea seems to be build it for what we need now not what will be needed in the future with expansion 10 or 15 yrs down the track in mind i.e the current roading system is a prime example  now having to spend millions more not to get ahead of the problem just to keep up with it if that at times. Can see no real quick fix to this solution as for the speed way maybe a change of venue could be a good thing for them and shut the whingers up or will it next be having to get windows replaced they will moan about.

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So you know about all the work that has been going on to improve Aucklands water distribution system, 

city rail link train services to improve the rail network,

and the three tunnels under the harbour to hook freight ( rail and truck) coming from the north directly onto the motorway south of spagetti junction or Newmarket, 

The plan to elimate freight from Stanley street  entirely and the completion of the western ring road , all planned all designations in place and actually just a continuation of the 30 year plan started in the 1980's  stymied only by Central Government  because their man (Banks) didn't get the mayoralty of the super city? 

Auckland has a plan and the planning works well yes it takes time but that is usually to ensure there is a fair opportunity to actually have genuine consultation and agreement , not the crap some would pass off as consultation. 

 

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So, good on them for finally getting their arse into gear and doing something only ten years or so to late. How many more millions will it cost the rate payers etc to cover the cost and the repayment of these catch up projects. Yes consultation does need to take place etc etc for these improvements to take place my point all along has been it is 10 to 15 years to late. Auckland should have had two maybe three other means to get across to the Nth shore by now. The water system  you mention should never have been a  problem if  a plan for future development/ improvement had been in place. All of the problems Auckland now faces are simple a lack of forward thinking and planning by the people in power scared to make the hard call because it could get them kicked out of power.My 2 cents 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, allan said:

So, good on them for finally getting their arse into gear and doing something only ten years or so to late. How many more millions will it cost the rate payers etc to cover the cost and the repayment of these catch up projects. Yes consultation does need to take place etc etc for these improvements to take place my point all along has been it is 10 to 15 years to late.

The planning was all done years ago - all the problems  Auckland now faces are simple a lack of integrity  by the people in power in central government obsessed with stupid party idealogy and too busy playing the political points scoring game to actually do their job with any due regard for the country and its people.

Even now 30 years after we went MMP  most national politicans are still tryting to play the first past the post game - its not about us and them its about the country - thats why we voted for MMP so the politicians had a plaform for collaborative decision make but no lets stick to the moronically stupid adversarial system that has served us so poorly since we started with it.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hmm... I don't think they built a speedway in a residential area. I'm pretty sure they built a whole lot of residences around a speedway. 

NIMBY dickheads. And their dickhead supporters. All of them should move out of Auckland, everyone would be happier.

 

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11 hours ago, M3AN said:

Hmm... I don't think they built a speedway in a residential area. I'm pretty sure they built a whole lot of residences around a speedway. 

This.
Western Springs was barely even an outlying area when the speedway was built. Urban sprawl spread around the stadium, and now they'll use it for more cricket instead of what it was designed for.

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