radar detectors

[CADMAX 0]

I'm with On the legality of detectors. It is not illegal to have one. However, under the radio frequencies legislation, the police own the frequencies you are monitoring. So you can have it on, but if you use the information you acquire (i.e. your alarm goes off and you slow down), you can be nailed under this act if they so choose. Hence a jammer is even more illegal under this law as you are actively using a frequency you have no rights too.

I got a laser jammer from Cookie Howlison BMW and it was tested and certified good to use by the police ...

auctioncity

It may be good for them but not for you

[*sic 1]

dont speed, no problems.

dumbasses

[Napier_E36 0]

On the legality of detectors. It is not illegal to have one. However, under the radio frequencies legislation, the police own the frequencies you are monitoring. So you can have it on, but if you use the information you acquire (i.e. your alarm goes off and you slow down), you can be nailed under this act if they so choose. Hence a jammer is even more illegal under this law as you are actively using a frequency you have no rights too.

never looked at it that way, thats actually rather interesting....

As sic said, dont speed, dont worry!

But on the other side of that, sometimes the police set themselves up just outside where a speed zone changes and ping people for not doing 50 when they have just come out of a 70 or somthing... I got pulled up by a cop who was driving towards the 70 while i was coming into the 50 - i had a big arguement with him, because when he put his red and blues on i was still in the 70k zone!! after about 10 minutes of debate, i got off the ticket but i wonder how many people get done in this way and dont arguee for their rights??

[37 South 6]

dont speed, no problems.

dumbasses

yeah, that just about sums up my feelings.

[E30_318i 0]

I think the majority of radar buyers aren't 'speeders' (that word could probably fit a couple of definitions, depends if you believe the governments bullshit or not).

If I did a sh*t load of open road kms, I would probably get one. I mean, who the f**ks going to pull out, and pass a 90-100kmh truck at 100kmh on the other side of the road? (like the road code states to do).

I'm sure most people will be at WOT while passing, bad luck if a cop is up the road though.

dont speed, no problems

What is speeding?

Is 140kmh on the motorway at 1 am 'speeding' as opposed to 100kmh in peak traffic on a wet road?

I think that there can be appropiate times and places where the 100 limit can be exceeded, it all comes down to common sense really, too bad a sh*t load of kiwi drivers don't have any

[*sic 1]

What is speeding?

Is 140kmh on the motorway at 1 am 'speeding'

I think that there can be appropiate times and places where the 100 limit can be exceeded, it all comes down to common sense really, too bad a sh*t load of kiwi drivers don't have any

hey winner.

anything over the stated LIMIT is speeding.

if you like to speed regardless of what time it is then you will be caught and i have no sympathy for you. the fact remains that those "1 am where no one is round and i will floor it to 140km cause im a real man and my car is great and has neat tyres on it and the nz roading system is so top notch and my dope ride will be able to handle it, im rad."

these times are funnily enough the ones where people end up on the roof and either dead or with bad as f**k injuries and a rooted car, by al means bro go for gold.

use a track or just walk, its not worth it.

i hope all of you who run at 140km+ at 1am get busted, before you plow into a family.

[E30_318i 0]

What is speeding?

Is 140kmh on the motorway at 1 am 'speeding'

I think that there can be appropiate times and places where the 100 limit can be exceeded, it all comes down to common sense really, too bad a sh*t load of kiwi drivers don't have any

hey winner.

anything over the stated LIMIT is speeding.

if you like to speed regardless of what time it is then you will be caught and i have no sympathy for you. the fact remains that those "1 am where no one is round and i will floor it to 140km cause im a real man and my car is great and has neat tyres on it and the nz roading system is so top notch and my dope ride will be able to handle it, im rad."

these times are funnily enough the ones where people end up on the roof and either dead or with bad as f**k injuries and a rooted car, by al means bro go for gold.

use a track or just walk, its not worth it.

i hope all of you who run at 140km+ at 1am get busted, before you plow into a family.

So 140 at 1am is deemed unacceptable.

Last time I went to Taupo, it was pissing down all the way to Bulls. Most of the time we were sitting on about 70kmh. I'll be f**ked if doing the speed limit (100) in those conditions is acceptable, while the 1am example isn't. I know which situation I would rather be in.

As I said, it all boils down to common sense.

It is only the govt that considers everything over the stated limit is speeding. Don't get me wrong, I do agree in most cases, but don't try and tell me doing 110 on the motorway at all times is 'speeding' :gay: (within the context of the ads on TV etc)

I would rather say speeding is going too fast for the conditions. You don't have to exceed the speed limit to be speeding IMO (ever been over the Rimutaka Hill Road? Queen Charlotte Sounds?- both 100kmh roads, doubt you'd take any of the corners at that speed though)

Edited December 30, 2004 by E30_318i

[*sic 1]

if you understand the english language limit generally means the upper most number / amount etc so that argument where you were saying "i wouldnt be doing 100km in the rain.. blah blah blah" no sh*t, thats because you are supposed to drive to the conditions, ie like the road code says.... limit is just that THE UPPER MOST AMOUNT.

west.

[Guest Spargo]

Bimmersport does not condone illegal activities.

[E30_318i 0]

limit is just that THE UPPER MOST AMOUNT.

And look at how inconsistent some of them are

The are some roads/parts of roads in this country which could have the speed limit increased, so by saying ANYTHING over the limit is speeding is bullshit, without taking the driving conditions into consideration, such as the road, time of day, weather etc.

And there are some roads which could (should?) have the limit lowered, therefore, no need to be going over the speed limit to be considered speeding (like said mountain roads, where anything short of a f**king Ferrari will struggle to hit the posted 100kmh limit).

IMO

[Napier_E36 0]

The are some roads/parts of roads in this country which could have the speed limit increased, so by saying ANYTHING over the limit is speeding is bullshit

at the BMWCC driver training day they were saying that there are roads around the country that would be suitable for a higher speed limit, but then they also went on to say that in a crash, you are somthing like twice as likely to suffer seious/fatal injuries if the open road speed limit is raised by only 20km/h to 120km/h

Sure, some of the roads could get away with being faster, but no matter how good the road is you are always going to have some dickhead who f**ks up in some way and an innocent party gets f**ked up...

There are reasons for having the speeds the way they are, and 100km/h as a blanket open road limit weather or not it is safely possible to do that speed on that stretch of road i think is quite fair - its less confusing for people to remember that if they go above 100km/h they will be caught eventually...

And there are some roads which could (should?) have the limit lowered, therefore, no need to be going over the speed limit to be considered speeding (like said mountain roads, where anything short of a f**king Ferrari will struggle to hit the posted 100kmh limit).

The posted speed limit is THE LIMIT it doesnt mean that you HAVE to do that speed... it just means you are not aloud to go over that speed.

And the faster you are going, the longer it takes to stop - i saw a thread on here that linked to another forum where an e28 had hit a van that had u-turned in front of them. If the BMW had been going any faster, i dread to think what the end result for the passengers would have been...

thread with link to crashed E28

Driving home from taupo last night at 3am, we were the first on the scene of a crash. We were on a straight piece of road, (on the taupo plains) and there was a Mazda Familia GTX on its roof half on and half off the road. There were skid marks and debry strewn across the road, and the damage the car had sustained before coming to a stop suggested very high speed - the front of the car was a crumpled ruin. They had slammed the bank and and flipped onto their roof. The 2 people inside were shaken but not hurt. It woke me right up - it was wet and these guys were going so fast that they lost it on a straight strech of road. What if I had been a minute earlier and it had been my car they had hit rather than the bank? Innocent party taken out by a f**kwit....

I was in a very serious accident a couple of years ago - speed was a factor and i was the only person who didnt get taken to hospital. I was the front seat passenger, travelling home from work) The driver went too fast round a corner and wandered over the center line (easy enough to do i spose) and we clipped a truck on its back wheels which spun us twice - we missed the car directly behind the truck and went head on into the car behind that. very scary thing to wake up to... Fortunatly no-one died, but it was a very near thing for the driver of the other car (innocent party wiped out because of a f**kwits actions).

Up until then i was of the typical young NZ male driver sterotype - it wont/cant happen to me, and i was always speeding - after that i sort of woke up - yeah slow down, that could have been A LOT worse!

So, in conclusion, the speed limits should be the same - its proven that you only make an extra 10 - 20 minutes over the course of your journey - is maiming yourself or others or losing your life or killing someone worth that? I think not!

If you think that because the road is straight for miles it therefore deserves a higher speed limit, i invite you to count those little white crosses on the side of the road, and tell me, as a percentage, how many are on dead straight stretches of road. Im sure that some of the people those crosses represent, would have had the same "it cant happen to me" attitude

Im sorry, this post was long winded and wandered off topic, but i feel rather strongly about this - i have experienced the effects of speed related crashes, i have also felt the exhiliration of going fast, but my experiences have taught me that its just not worth the extra 10 - 20 minutes! (yes, i admit that i have sped and sometimes find myself doing higher than the posted limit, but I am trying my hardest to keep to the limit)

Also when you add in the fact that the standard of drivers in NZ needs attention, i think there is a very fair arguement for keeping the limits where they are!

If you want to go fast, go to a racetrack and do it in a safer controlled environment!

Edited January 1, 2005 by Napier_E36

[petone 0]

Funny, noone came up with a decent reason why they speed. Still, the most of the country seems to do. But, i did see a cop with a laser standing right infront of a 100K sign ticketing people that had started to accelerate a little too early. Yeah, they were speeding but thats pretty harsh.

Also, i think cops should go easier on people overtaking. Some of those trucks motor along the straights and I'd like to see someone overtake one of those without going faster than 100Kmh.

I'm not saying I never speed, if i want to go fast i just try and save it for the track or our trail bikes, where there are no bystanders or police

[bravo 35]

Interesting article in todays NZ Herald (yes I read it when I'm on holiday too - shame on me!) about a Herald Poll regarding speeding and speed cameras.

Ididn't think much of the media hyping a poll like this without any real scientific backing (they didn't even say whether the people surveyed were motorists or not, just that they were all over 18) as media hype can be damaging. However the poll results were interesting nonetheless.

I try not to speed now (used to be a chronic speeder) due to being the passenger in a vehicle which took a corner too fast and crashed and I fractured my spine. I recovered, but have ongoing back problems.

Still, I occaisionally catch myself upto 15km over the limit without really realising it, I then adjust my speed accordingly of course, but it happens. it is not that I am not paying enough attention, its just that my attention is on the road, not the speedo, and I am moving with the traffic flow. When speeding in these cases, it does not feel unsafe - I have a big following distance, and the potential hazards are minor. I am also a motorcyclist, so I am in the habit of looking down every side street and drive for potential cars that may come out and hit me off my bike. This habit transfers to when I'm in my car, and so during city driving I almost never break the limit as I can tell when I'm speeding by the fact I don't have time to check driveways, but on the open road it is much easier to scan for hazards and it is easy for speed to creep up with flowing traffic.

That is my excuse for speeding. It won't stand up in court, but I do not beleive that it is unsafe speeding either.

It is also interesting to note, that although I have had one or two accidents they have all been at 30km/hr or less, and although I have a driving conviction, in that case, I was in fact stationary and not at fault, but my age worked against me and the police believed the fabricated story of the old driver of the other car. So it seems that you can in fact get yourself into trouble by not speeding too.

BTW: I don't have a radar detector either, and have never had a speeding ticket.

[bravo 35]

Oh, also, I was hitchhiking on NYE and a boyracer from Takapuna picked me up. He had a V1, and we were driving in the police-logged Paihia area, and we got no false alarms, and picked up every cop before it would have been a problem had he been speeding.

Having never seen one in action, I was very impressed.

[Guest WAGON]

sic has sumed it up dont speed if you are not prepared to get caught

im with sic on this one

[shadowninja 0]

Wow this thread got all angry & sh!t when I wasn't looking.

I'm not one to get all righteous about how wrong it is to speed, because I'm guilty of breaking the posted limit every now and then. Usually its while overtaking a slow vehicle on a ridiculously short passing lane. I don't have a 100% clean license either ...

My last ticket was while going 115 on the motorway, three empty lanes down a hill with clear visibility for africa. Those are the types of tickets that give cops a bad name... I don't think any of us begrudge the tickets handed out to the boyracer driver with a souped up car sorry sic going at 150kph in a 50 zone. I don't envy the cops job, with quotas to fill & 80% of the time they're dealing with the most rotten 10% of the populace, but sometimes there are less justified tickets written.

My $0.02 ...

1. We need to drive not just within our own limits, but also those of the unpredictable drivers around us.

2. Kiwi roads are in need of major upgrades before any increase in speed limits be considered.

3. One of the main reasons the death toll hasn't increased dramatically along with the number of cars on the road is because of passive safety features (eg- airbags) not because we're driving any better.

4. If you are having trouble staying under the limits with your current car, consider buying one with less horsepower (thats what I did).

[Guest WAGON]

1. We need to drive not just within our own limits, but also those of the unpredictable drivers around us.

2. Kiwi roads are in need of major upgrades before any increase in speed limits be considered.

3. One of the main reasons the death toll hasn't increased dramatically along with the number of cars on the road is because of passive safety features (eg- airbags) not because we're driving any better.

4. If you are having trouble staying under the limits with your current car, consider buying one with less horsepower (thats what I did).

that is well summed up there

drive to your limits

dont push them

[MattA 162]

I'm old been driving for 16yrs and see the biggest problem being that in NZ we simply don't teach poeple to drive.. steering a car and changing gear is not driving.

my 2c

[Guest Andrew]

at the BMWCC driver training day they were saying that there are roads around the country that would be suitable for a higher speed limit, but then they also went on to say that in a crash, you are somthing like twice as likely to suffer seious/fatal injuries if the open road speed limit is raised by only 20km/h to 120km/h

That kind of extrapolation from some crappy data they have is most likely wrong. Only problem with a 120 kph limit is everyone will be doing 130. Then again - that is pretty much the speed limit in England isn't it? 80 mph everyone seems to drive at - thats pretty quick.

[Guest Andrew]

I'm old been driving for 16yrs and see the biggest problem being that in NZ we simply don't teach poeple to drive.. steering a car and changing gear is not driving.

my 2c

Exactly - Just going for a small drive yesterday, I saw 2 near head on crashes in places where you just couldn't pass. The car being passed had to brake to let the other driver back on the left hand side of the road.

There is too much impatience and not enough courtesy on the roads. Most people can steer and go round corners well enough to never crash.

[Homy.D.Clown 0]

I SPEED..i admit..i like to go a bit faster than the posted limit(but not what i'd call excessive ,and conditions, other traffic, etc permitting )

Ive had a few close calls with the law and the last one cost me bout $300 -

cruising home and got orange lightning...dam wasnt paying attention to the van on the side of the road..

now i have a V1(from the states)...i love it..saved my bacon many times...mostly when your just cruising along any the old foot gets to relaxed ..BEEP BEEP BEEP..oh speed camera..time to get back to the limit...see it does slow me down

*sic your post anger at speeding surprises me....whats the word im after...

ah yes..HYPOCRITE.... whats your 1/4 time down resolution drive?(80k zone)

seriously man...you cant go the anti speeding way and not be pulled up on it.

next up im getting a Escort X50, just to see if its better than the V1

If i get caught i'll pay the fine and carry on

so to answer the original topic...yes they do work...maybe not %100 but good enought for me to justify (Valentine 1 is GREAT and soon to review the Escort X50)

Oh and any product from RMR(rocky mountian radar) don't work....they're just a con

[Ghost 0]

*sic your post anger at speeding surprises me....whats the word im after...

ah yes..HYPOCRITE.... whats your 1/4 time down resolution drive?(80k zone)

seriously man...you cant go the anti speeding way and not be pulled up on it.

As with most righteous extremists....

Some food for thought. The current Limits must take into account ALL drivers/vehicles/conditions for any particular section of road.

Consider this: a ratty arse pos 197X rusted junk mobile is legally allowed to travel at 100km/h, the same limit for a modern sports/supercar....the old pos would take at least twice as long to stop and a far reduced chance of aiding the driver in an emergency situation......

I dont condone speeding, as it keeps my chances of being killed by someone else at a lower level. I do however sit on 110km/h on all long haul trips in my modern car and where I deem it appropriate.

Common sense and driver ed. will do more than any angry crap about NEVER speeding . I wonder how educational it would be to strap every new full lisence driver into a control crash at say 30km/h......

[aliluya 0]

I would say it is guarantteed that everyone speeds sometimes ... hell even my mum and grandparents speeds sometimes ....

And i would say i'm not exactly an slow driver either ... i commute on the motorway everysingle day sitting a generally 110KM ....

[petone 0]

I reckon about 90% of drivers on NZ roads would travel at 10K over the limit.

[GO2H3L 0]

Valentine 1 by far! Ive tried the new escort X50 and its nothing special, Id actually prefer a Bel than the Escort. You just cant beat Valentine with the bogey counter and the directional arrows telling you where to look!!!

Oh and Blinder M-20 jammers work very very well too