westy 614 Report post Posted June 25, 2007 Another legendary annual BS political debate thread! I love it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m_power 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2007 Im not old enough to vote yet, but if i could vote i would pick National. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M325is 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2007 I hate to alarm you, but I really don't think anybody in New Zealand has any decent bombs. They don't make good electioneering, you see. Its the thought that counts... Bring on a civil war!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carl 3 Report post Posted June 25, 2007 (edited) Staying O/T ppl I actually want Helen to stay PM as she is the best politician in the house hands down and IMO she is what's getting labour through. I just don't see John being mature enough in the role to be a leader of this country, just yet, or anyone else for that matter. Our leader must be someone that had a liquid tongue and a sharp sense for politics who won't mess up on the international stage. Personally I'd rather we had a capitalist right wing government as i'd benefit more but our socialist government for all its spending works. Which party has in the past sold off all the assets that turned this country from 1st world to 3rd world??? Telecom and the railways should never have been sold off. SOE's work better for us, they at least care about the infrastructure and all their profits stay here and don't go offshore, privatising is stupid, greed is stupid. Our health system was top notch, now it's sh*t and I pay $26 a fortnight for private health. Edited June 25, 2007 by Carl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M325is 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Yeh I think health care is the biggest problem for NZ European citizens! Its so wrong. The only way to get cheap health care for us is to go to an Otara medical centre where you dont just have to be coloured to get discount but you must live within its vacinity. $15 for a visit instead of $60 elsewhere. But I must say the doctors are very foreign. Either Labour or National have to step up to this cause to get my vote. I just hope its National. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jammasterjames 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 BMW Forum votes fo National..... what else they gon do?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
international 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Another legendary annual BS political debate thread! I love it. well considering such threads only come into action every 4 years...make the most of it now (vodafone cliche) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
international 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 NZ's problems... Education: messed Health: messed Corrections: messed Police: messed Economics: messed for most people Immigration: messed Education- Well, the whole point of NCEA is to make it easier for people to pass to get into Uni...however that aint working instead its dragging the whole education into messy sh*t...IIRC 50% of maori boys leave school without any education standards...so doesnt seems like anything is being done..."lets mark the test so easy so that everyone gets Achieve to make everyone happy" while its impossible to get Excellence... Health- Being young, I havent had much visits to the hospital but having heard stories from people...8 hours of waiting time because there wasnt enough staff...not enough docs? is it because NCEA is too sh*t which has limited the number of people to apply to become a doctor at Uni? oh yea...North Shore hospital doesnt have enough beds...which is a joke...the standards are just not up to stratch realistically putting people at danger...like people died due to errors caused by doctors...I dont mean one case...its been several cases including a man who died due to the injuries he occured when he fell of his hospital bed due to a lack of supervision from the staff...its not a doll they are playing with...its a God damn lives they are playing now...Jesus...where is the moral behind all this sh*t??? Corrections- This is one sad price we pay...first of all with all this havoc of kid who died in the back of a Chubb van? People who are in jails that have cellphones as well as illegal substance? Just what the hell is going on??? They go to prison to be punished which means they do not deserve the WANTS of life like cellphones and weed...Oh yea and the paroll board just sucks ass so much...releasing assholes who just go out to kill even more people? this hasnt happened once but on several incidents... Police- Popo...pigz whatever we call them...they need to earn back as much respect as they can all due to the actions of some police...3sim, rape and all that sh*t is wack enough for the average citizen let alone a police...remember a while ago there was a policewoman who also worked as a prostitue? thats wack sh*t...why is she doing that...surely its not illegal but wheres the moral of such occupation? Police going around catching people driving 3Km/h over the speed limit where as they should be catching those real crimals in South Auckland? I think we all know the stories too well... Economics- this is a two side story...might look great for importers where you can buy a cheaper flat panel TV...but heck do you have a house to put the TV in? Im 17yo...I am already worried about getting a house...renting is great alternative but feels light a burden on you constantly...not many people can afford to buy their first house...While everything in the supermarket is more and more expensive...our wage is still freaking stuck on the mark...there is no justifications as to how can the price of goods increase without the increase of the New Zealand wage levels? So is Labour going to give me and you some tax break? Well...Mr C tells nothing is coming while is NO2, Trev or Mr M tells the Ozzies that New Zealand will be having a break in 2008...Bloody tax...it just aint funny no more... Immigration- sensitive issue but to be frank...being an immigrant of New Zealand...Ive been here for more than a decade now, originally from Taiwan...at the moment it totally sucks bulls...There are so many of these Mainland Chinese setting a bad repuation for the other Asians of New Zealand...Im choosing my words carefully you see...the fact is that they dont and refuse to merge with the mainstream community...if you dont then whats the point of coming to New Zealand? Thats one factor that really disgusts me...Ive got mates some kiwis, some indies, some asians and its all cool...a good balance is great being a multi cultural society we enbrace the difference but there are these number of asians and other immigrats who dont...extremists I like to put it...in my opinon...I dont want to be too sensitive on this subject but thats my view...Some are real sh*t drivers...In China, most of the population bike...no wonder why asians are regarded as sh*t drivers...damn!!! I want more control in this area...honestly some need to be thrown back to their original hole... To be honest judging by what we have in NZ Helen John, John Helen...both are medicore...But being from a centre right based family...I tend to thick that its about time to change...so either I dont vote or I pop for John...Helen is really fugly...prob one of the worst looking polititans in the world haahaha... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M325is 0 Report post Posted June 27, 2007 Immigration- sensitive issue but to be frank...being an immigrant of New Zealand...Ive been here for more than a decade now, originally from Taiwan...at the moment it totally sucks bulls...There are so many of these Mainland Chinese setting a bad repuation for the other Asians of New Zealand...Im choosing my words carefully you see...the fact is that they dont and refuse to merge with the mainstream community...if you dont then whats the point of coming to New Zealand? Thats one factor that really disgusts me...Ive got mates some kiwis, some indies, some asians and its all cool...a good balance is great being a multi cultural society we enbrace the difference but there are these number of asians and other immigrats who dont...extremists I like to put it...in my opinon...I dont want to be too sensitive on this subject but thats my view...Some are real sh*t drivers...In China, most of the population bike...no wonder why asians are regarded as sh*t drivers...damn!!! I want more control in this area...honestly some need to be thrown back to their original hole... Holy sh*t YES! In East Auckland they have their own shopping centres and business parks. They are forming their very own china over here and dont give to shits bout the kiwi citizens, they have no intentions what so ever to join our multi cultural society. This is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gus 5 Report post Posted June 27, 2007 meh, i havent even bothered to read all this, but its never going to be perfect is it? you cant make everybody happy all of the time. move to a tax haven if poor people bother you that much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cainchapman 0 Report post Posted June 27, 2007 Our Medical system might not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than the majority of countries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 1 Report post Posted June 27, 2007 nz is messed up.... try being the first year through for NCEA. you think its bad now? Don't know how you blame NCEA for lack of doctors though? most of the ncea generation will still have atleast 3 years to go before they graduate. Besides, otago uni has it own selection process for med, go bitch to them if you think they should let more idiots into med. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMW POWER 2 Report post Posted June 27, 2007 Education- Well, the whole point of NCEA is to make it easier for people to pass to get into Uni...however that aint working instead its dragging the whole education into messy sh*t...IIRC 50% of maori boys leave school without any education standards...so doesnt seems like anything is being done..."lets mark the test so easy so that everyone gets Achieve to make everyone happy" while its impossible to get Excellence... Yep, fo sure... "Too easy too pass, too hard to excel" is the way teachers and students are feeling.. NCEA has a looong way to go. And BULLSHIT it has changed since School/6th Form/Bursary certs.. theres still a quote to fill for each percentile, too many excellences = marking schedule tightened. If Helen Clark is stupid enough to lower the voting age to 16, she should get the boot... Go Key! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phil Ken Sebben Report post Posted June 27, 2007 Yeh I think health care is the biggest problem for NZ European citizens! Its so wrong. The only way to get cheap health care for us is to go to an Otara medical centre where you dont just have to be coloured to get discount but you must live within its vacinity. $15 for a visit instead of $60 elsewhere. But I must say the doctors are very foreign. Either Labour or National have to step up to this cause to get my vote. I just hope its National. Your views on race got you banned before... careful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dickhead 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 Our Medical system might not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than the majority of countries.who the hell told you that? helen clarke? our health system is fkn 3rd world! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dickhead 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 Holy sh*t YES! In East Auckland they have their own shopping centres and business parks. They are forming their very own china over here and dont give to shits bout the kiwi citizens, they have no intentions what so ever to join our multi cultural society. This is wrong.yeah hat i dont get, they leave these shitty countries then come to ours and try to make it like the crappy country they left... samoans and hardcore muslims are the worst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martyyn 2 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 who the hell told you that? helen clarke? our health system is fkn 3rd world!What experience do you have of third world healthcare ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpp 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 yeah hat i dont get, they leave these shitty countries then come to ours and try to make it like the crappy country they left... samoans and hardcore muslims are the worst f**ken southeners are the worst... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cainchapman 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 Go and have a look around Papua New Guinea, Fiji, the Cook Islands and do acomparison of where you'd like to be treated. And those are countries that aren't 3rd world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew 30 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 Hardly a constructive argument from some. Closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
