zero 1162 Report post Posted December 14, 2019 So, I'm still chasing similar codes to the ones @Ahmedsinc was. Even though I had replaced the ccv and hoses a few years ago, I replaced them again last week but the following fault code returned after about 50kms - 227: Lambda contol tolerance Bank 1. I also used a new inlet manifold gasket of course. Over my ownership I've also replaced both intake boots, both rubber bungs at the back of the manifold, new disa and its gasket, the 'f' piece and both its hoses, injector o-rings, dipstick o-rings, fuel vacuum rubber hoses, fuel filter, throttle body gasket. I've also cleaned the throttle body, the idle control valve, and the maf. I've also replaced the throttle body with another used one I had lying around, and checked and cleaned its connector. I'm pulling my hair out - anyone have any ideas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Allanw 1072 Report post Posted December 14, 2019 Blocked injector? Exhaust leak? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zero 1162 Report post Posted December 15, 2019 I cleaned and tested all the injectors when I replaced the orings, and also used a bottle of injector cleaner in the tank. There are no exhaust leaks. @B.M.W Ltd - do you have any advice on what it could be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.M.W Ltd 950 Report post Posted December 15, 2019 227 is a running lean code and in your case limited to bank one over a 50km test period. I would suggest talking to Gavin@High Velocity or Joe@Eurosurgeon and get it checked on a dyno to determine when the lean running occurs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zero 1162 Report post Posted December 23, 2019 I swapped on a known working maf from my other car and after 200kms of driving the engine light has not come back on yet so fingers crossed. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedsinc 414 Report post Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) On 12/16/2019 at 12:33 AM, zero said: I cleaned and tested all the injectors when I replaced the orings, and also used a bottle of injector cleaner in the tank. There are no exhaust leaks. @B.M.W Ltd - do you have any advice on what it could be? So we finally resolved the issue. I run the wagon on 98 octane, the only source local to me is Gull. Being E10 it generates a slightly higher AFR than regular petrol. The narrowband post-cat O2 sensors presumably have a very narrow tolerance. Switching back to 95 octane from the local Z eliminated the issue. Cheers to Joe Clifton for his input, was 100% correct in his assumptions. Worth a try Nathan! Edited June 22, 2020 by Ahmedsinc 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statek 87 Report post Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ahmedsinc said: So we finally resolved the issue. I run the wagon on 98 octane, the only source local to me is Gull. Being E10 it generates a slightly higher AFR than regular petrol. The narrowband post-cat O2 sensors presumably have a very narrow tolerance. Switching back to 95 octane from the local Z eliminated the issue. Cheers to Joe Clifton for his input, was 100% correct in his assumptions. Worth a try Nathan! Thanks for the update! I also run our X3 on Gull Force 10 - I'll try the same solution ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.M.W Ltd 950 Report post Posted June 22, 2020 I won't use "GULL" full stop on anything I own or have owned 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedsinc 414 Report post Posted June 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Statek said: Thanks for the update! I also run our X3 on Gull Force 10 - I'll try the same solution ? Took 2-3 tanks to resolve the issue so don’t expect miracles immediately Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedsinc 414 Report post Posted June 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, B.M.W Ltd said: I won't use "GULL" full stop on anything I own or have owned I wondered if it’s more to do with lambda tolerances in the fuel maps, had no troubles using e10 in my E36, admittedly I ran a Link ecu so could adjust tables accordingly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zero 1162 Report post Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 4:39 PM, B.M.W Ltd said: I won't use "GULL" full stop on anything I own or have owned Why is that Glenn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.M.W Ltd 950 Report post Posted June 24, 2020 It gave a lot of problems with their fuel when they came out with their blends about 10 years ago. I just won't go back there. Bitten once.... F>>K ya 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geeveejay 4 Report post Posted June 25, 2020 interesting reading, having got the 171 and 174 codes, have the car booked in for a deeper dive tomorrow at a specialist , as I dont want to randomly spend on it. I have done the obvious stuff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites