Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 Yea, they are good cars, build like a brick shithouse. Cl65 would have some serious grunt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 Just too bad that 95-05 Era were built like crap in areas they should have never had problems in. As much as I like some Mercs of that era, I just wouldnt touch one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 Just too bad that 95-05 Era were built like crap in areas they should have never had problems in. As much as I like some Mercs of that era, I just wouldnt touch one. They weren't that bad, build quality was good however components and mechanical sensors were shocking. Better build quality than late 90's BMW hands down. No sagging hood lining, dull headlights, airbag sensors and false obc warnings! I love BMW, however Mercedes in the 90's hands down had a build quality worlds ahead, however im not sure about the 00's ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 From what I've seen BMW was much better in the late 90s. Still niggly issues. But between both of them they did have issues. I guess a late 90s LS400 is the pick of the bunch. Next to no faults (Other than being a bit boring) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dn540 67 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 One of these would be ideal http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-560SEC-/271808129377?nma=true&si=sDW8Eb09VDNIfjVO6hU%252BPA4MrvI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 One of these would be ideal http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-560SEC-/271808129377?nma=true&si=sDW8Eb09VDNIfjVO6hU%252BPA4MrvI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 110% ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZ BMW 368 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Love 1990's Mercedes. I had a W140 at one time. Always like the R129 great looking car when paired with some AMG mono-blocks. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Love 1990's Mercedes. I had a W140 at one time. Always like the R129 great looking car when paired with some AMG mono-blocks. Yes, amazing cars, truly ahead in innovation at the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Yes, amazing cars, truly ahead in innovation at the time Any examples of this innovation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZ BMW 368 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Any examples of this innovation? The rollover bar which deployed during a crash with the softtop or roof down was pretty cool at the time. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 The rollover bar which deployed during a crash with the softtop or roof down was pretty cool at the time. Fastest ever closing soft top @ the time, auto safety roll bar, fastest production 32valve v8 in 1989, ect Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZ BMW 368 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Fastest ever closing soft top @ the time, auto safety roll bar, fastest production 32valve v8 in 1989, ect Yes, the M119 is regarded as one of the engines Mercedes has produced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Indeed. I found it to be quite a fine motor. Great power delivery and an aswesome sound. Definitely passes the seat-of-the-pants test. (322 hp/240 kW) at 5700 rpm and 354 ft·lbf (479 N·m) at 3900 rpm. Lovely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Indeed. I found it to be quite a fine motor. Great power delivery and an aswesome sound. Definitely passes the seat-of-the-pants test. (322 hp/240 kW) at 5700 rpm and 354 ft·lbf (479 N·m) at 3900 rpm. Lovely. Awesome power comparison Michael, Yea the M119 has very little low down torque and I find that it is delivered at around 4000 revs. Mercedes replaced it with the M113 as they wanted a engine with a lower torque range (which they acheived) however it was about 20hp down on the m119...IMO I would rather have higher delivery of torque...I'd presume your soarer would have the same delivery? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 The M113 seems like a lesser motor in some ways, more cost saving measures, but better suited for low end torque like you say. It seems to have a lesser following than the M119, given the vibe on the internet. To be honest I think the M119 makes a sh*t load of torque from the get go, nearly 400nm at 1500pm, going on to a peak of 479nm... it sure means buisness! My smaller 4.0L Soarer engine has always been a bit lacking in low down torque, probably the main reason people supercharge them a lot. Only making 300nm at 1500rpm, on to a peak of 355nm at 4400rpm, so a similar torque curve to the M119, but down the best part of 100nm! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 The M113 seems like a lesser motor in some ways, more cost saving measures, but better suited for low end torque like you say. It seems to have a lesser following than the M119, given the vibe on the internet. To be honest I think the M119 makes a sh*t load of torque from the get go, nearly 400nm at 1500pm, going on to a peak of 479nm... it sure means buisness! My smaller 4.0L Soarer engine has always been a bit lacking in low down torque, probably the main reason people supercharge them a lot. Only making 300nm at 1500rpm, on to a peak of 355nm at 4400rpm, so a similar torque curve to the M119, but down the best part of 100nm! My m119 only has 57,000km on it, so id doubt it has a timing issue ect, but even with the traction control off there is no way you can spin the wheels! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 Is the gearbox quite soggy of the line? I think it's partly due to that full hydrualic box, quite an old style torque converter generating too much slip. So if its dry and you floor it - no spin? What rear tyres are you running? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) No its not soggy, however it does occasionally slip under full acceleration when the trans is REALLY hot (continuous driving in hot weather) Id say it would be the torque converter, the trans is 25 years old and whines when in drive but not in park or neutral, father who is a mechanic thinks it could just be blocked oil cooler lines, looks untouched so id say it could do with a service. tbh it has never worried me as I use the car as a cruiser with the top down, and don't really need to do skids lol Tires are Falken Azenis 275/35/18 on rear Edited March 30, 2015 by benzboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lord_jagganath 421 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 those boxes were hewn out of a block of granite with a hammer and chisel. the famous clunk when getting in gear should be quite apparent, but more so in the W140... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 My gear changes are pretty smooth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M5V8 337 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 One of these would be ideal http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-560SEC-/271808129377?nma=true&si=sDW8Eb09VDNIfjVO6hU%252BPA4MrvI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 is there a more quintessential bad guy car? screams don't F with me. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael. 2313 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 is there a more quintessential bad guy car? screams don't F with me. Would look right at home in a Mad Max scene... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark312 25 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 I think the most bad ass car would have to be the e30 M3 or r35 GTR dont know why but I think they are all a bit understated which adds to the bad ass scene?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
