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[ThreeOneEight 0]

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[bmwsparkle 3]

fight city hall willy.

Sounds like you're right.

[CaM 0]

nope not in wrong from where I'm sitting.....

interesting to hear what comes of this

[ThreeOneEight 0]

fight city hall willy.

Sounds like you're right.

I have never liked the Wellington City Council. Their wardens are on quotas, like cops. I rang the LTSA and they agreed with me, and encouraged me to write a letter.

[Deftones 0]

Fight the system!!!! or you can do what Andy did, and tell the council where to go, and screw up the damn ticket!

[ThreeOneEight 0]

Fight the system!!!! or you can do what Andy did, and tell the council where to go, and screw up the damn ticket!

I'd love to screw up the ticket, but the car is registered in my parents name, I'd happily have my car impounded for 'Motorist Activism', but not my parents car! Wellington City Council have been trying for years to drive motorists out of the city, okay, they are making some advances with the new bypass, but I'm sure they want me to buy a bicycle!

[bimmer boy 21]

I have never liked the Wellington City Council.

I hate Wellington fullstop. Mum got a $200 ticket in Herne Bay last week but she rang up and got out of it. Being a parking warden is the kind of job you get if you drop out in 4th form all they care about is filling thier quotas and being paid minimum wage.

[StylesM5 0]

I'd love to screw up the ticket, but the car is registered in my parents name, I'd happily have my car impounded for 'Motorist Activism', but not my parents car! Wellington City Council have been trying for years to drive motorists out of the city, okay, they are making some advances with the new bypass, but I'm sure they want me to buy a bicycle!

Phew.... Pleased to hear that the Toyota Corolla is your parents and not yours! My wife won't let me buy her one for that very reason. Her Mum has one (68) and my Mum has one (70) although my mum's is an AE92 GT.

[bravo 35]

I don't think I've everseen a fire hydrant with a FH circle. Always a yellow triangle on the roa, and in most cases a yellow band painted on the kerb. In most cases you can't see the yellow cover as it is behind the footpath under grass or whatever, so not seeing that is no excuse. If the triangle is badly faded however, then I agree as to the unfairness.

Swanson is likely the name of the company that made the lid, not where it came from. Most should have FH on them, but I've seen just about any cover known to man on Fire Hydrants, and Fire hydrant covers on things like water meters etc.

I'd say fight it, but be a little more aware of firehydrants in the future as almost none of them are marked correctly and as you state in your letter, it is the inconvenience to the firebrigade that is the real problem, not your $40 fine.

This old gem comes to mind (yes i know it has been posted 100 times before)

[ThreeOneEight 0]

I don't think I've everseen a fire hydrant with a FH circle. Always a yellow triangle on the roa, and in most cases a yellow band painted on the kerb. In most cases you can't see the yellow cover as it is behind the footpath under grass or whatever, so not seeing that is no excuse. If the triangle is badly faded however, then I agree as to the unfairness.

Swanson is likely the name of the company that made the lid, not where it came from. Most should have FH on them, but I've seen just about any cover known to man on Fire Hydrants, and Fire hydrant covers on things like water meters etc.

I'd say fight it, but be a little more aware of firehydrants in the future as almost none of them are marked correctly and as you state in your letter, it is the inconvenience to the firebrigade that is the real problem, not your $40 fine.

This old gem comes to mind (yes i know it has been posted 100 times before)

I never knew till today that "yellow triangle" meant fire hydrant, precisely because it is not in the road code. For all I knew, it could have meant "Asian Homosexual Parking Only". The road code says Yellow Circle with "FH". I'm going by that reasoning.

[Docile 64]

well i got a ticket 3 weeks ago.. caught the parking warden put the ticket onto my windshield. i confronted him and asked him what was the ticket for?

he said my pay and display ticket was over due. I WAS LIKE WTF !! i still have 4 mins left(which was also said on the pay and display machine).. then he said not according to my watch its not..

[Guest Spargo]

I'd say you're f**ked, and in the wrong. Sorry.

[ThreeOneEight 0]

I'd say you're f**ked, and in the wrong. Sorry.

Why? I parked in a marked carpark, and within that carpark was an improperly marked, according to official tract, fire hydrant. There should have been yellow lines, not a carpark- all the council had to do was break the white, and put in a few hyphenated bits of yellow- Their failure to follow road signage guidelines as instructed by the LTSA (which is arguably a higher authority) should not result in an innocent commuter getting a ticket. I refuse to pay on principle. If I win, the $40 will be spent on a bunch of flowers with a card saying "It's not the money, it's the principle" and sent to the Council Parking department.

[Guest Spargo]

So you admit you parked over a fire hydrant?

[ThreeOneEight 0]

So you admit you parked over a fire hydrant?

No, I parked over a grey piece of metal that may have been yellow in the 1930s, with the word "SWANSON" over it, which was INSIDE a parking space. Check out your roadcode- it clearly states what a Fire Hydrant is supposed to look like. This did not look anything like what the roadcode said. Whilst I understand I could have inconvenienced the Fire Service, I think it is more the fault of the council for not marking it as a no parking area. I have added a diagram for you to help you get your head around it.

[cainchapman 0]

Your diagram is incorrect (as outlined below), there is no requirement to have the yellow lines for a Fire Hydrant (although it would make very good sense)

I'd say you have a case, as it is ambiguous. Talk to the AA if you are a member. They'd love to help you. Or Fair Go.

Ripped straight from the LTSA website.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/stopping-...t-to-park1.html

Don't park or stop in these areas

You must not park or stop your vehicle:

on the right-hand side of the road except in a one-way street

where it will be in the way of other people using the road

near a corner, curve, hill, traffic island or intersection, if it will stop other people from seeing along the road

on the roadway, if you can park off it without damaging grass or gardens

on any footpath

on, or closer than 6 metres to, an intersection, unless there are parking spaces or a notice telling you that you can park there

on, or closer than 6 metres to, the approach side of a pedestrian crossing

on a marked bus stop or taxi stand

closer than 6 metres to a bus stop marked only by a sign

in front of, or closer than 1 metre to, a vehicle entrance

alongside another parked vehicle - ie, you must not double-park

where traffic signs indicate you must not stop or park

on 'no stopping' lines - these are broken, yellow lines within 1 metre of the kerb. You may see these near pedestrian crossings, intersections, driveways or narrow roads

where a sign is placed to show that part of the road is reserved for classes of vehicles shown by that sign, (eg bus, taxi or goods service vehicle). In many cases, this restriction is marked by a broken yellow line more than 1 metre from the kerb

on or closer than 0.5 metres to a fire hydrant, unless somebody who can move the vehicle stays with it

on a yellow circle on the road containing the letters "FH" (as shown below) or between the circle and the footpath, unless somebody who can move the vehicle stays with it

Fire hydrant

Edited August 15, 2006 by cainchapman

[ThreeOneEight 0]

Even if the yellow lines I put were incorrect, surely there should have been a break in the white parking line? A "restriction within a restricition", as the woman from the council put it, is not at all fair- how many people here think that white lines mean parking here is okay, and yellow lines is not okay? Put that against the number of people who could pick out an improperly marked fire hydrant. Like i said in the letter, I'm a motorist, not a fire hydrant specialist. By they way, I knew that FH in a circle meant Fire Hydrant, because my brother is a printer who prints the official licence tests and roadcodes, I've had more than my fair share of practice tests to do! But nowhere in any roadcode or licence test have I ever found "Swanson" or "Yellow Triangle in middle of road".

Will be speaking to the AA tomorrow, I expect they will be more than happy to help.

[martyyn 2]

Sorry Will,

Im with Spargo on this one. Ive always known fire hydrants to be designated by yellow triangles and not with the letters FH.

Im sorry to say it but I very much doubt you will get off the fine but I can see what your saying about the road-code though.

[Huttey 0]

Boy this inspired dialogue, my view is the ticket was not issued in accordance with the road code but what is the legal definition of a fire hydrant ?

My personal view is the council should rectify the ambiguity in signage and let you of the ticket.

[cainchapman 0]

I don't agree with the statement that it was a designated parking zone. A parking spot is marked individually. I don't disagree that you have a case. You can't use the lack of Yellow lines as a case, otherwise 6m from every kerb would need to be marked also (and I think that would be a good idea). I always thought that the yellow kerb and triangle were the sign of a Fire Hydrant. Have one outside the neighbours plae. I'll have to go and look tomorrow.

Good luck. I've learnt something for the day anyway.

[martyyn 2]

Another thing to consider is whether or not the Road Code is the law.

I dont believe it is. Its just a 'guide' to NZ road rules, but it cant be considered the law.

Inspired conversation for the Tuesday evening !

[ThreeOneEight 0]

Another thing to consider is whether or not the Road Code is the law.

I dont believe it is. Its just a 'guide' to NZ road rules, but it cant be considered the law.

Inspired conversation for the Tuesday evening !

Yea there is a disclaimer in the roadcode saying that it is just a guide- but I cannot find anything in official stuff to say that a triangle is a hydrant, so right now the circle with FH is taking precedent! Really though, there should have been yellow lines. If they can take the effort to put a triangle in the middle of the road, they could easily put a few lines on the side of it.

[kiwi535 538]

i actually think the yellow circle is more significant,than FH or a yellow triangle,but stick to your guns i reckon if you go to court with your evidence and argue that it wasnt marked as a fh as shown in the code the judge will chuck it out.However I would say you wouldve parked there anyway even if it was An proper FH n circle n so on....

[ThreeOneEight 0]

Really, when it all comes down to it, it's God punishing me for driving a Corolla when he knows I should be in a Euro!

[Carl 3]

My 2c, but most city parks such as in Thorndon where parking spaces are sparse, fire hydrants are designated with the yellow triangle (as is normal) as well as broken yellow lines to indicate no parking.

While you may get used to the broken yellow lines I would say that given the existence of the yellow triangle, which was most likely pointing in the direction of the FH, then you're in the wrong although you could argue yourself out of it and I wish you the best.

I've argued out of 3 tickets that were unfair but lost out on a 4th one for parking facing the wrong way outside my house.

As for the fire department, they'll just smash the window and push the car out of the way.