kwhelan

copied and pasted so take with a grain of salt

Good news, E-cars used less CO2 than diesel cars…but only after 585,000km! Quote:

The German ADAC association, the equivalent of America’s AAA, carried a CO2 comparison for a variety e-autos and combustion engine cars. The results were very surprising, says German magazine Autobild here.

Today electric cars are being pushed as a clean and environmentally friendly alternative, while diesel and gasoline burning engines are being villainized as polluters and climate killers. In their comparison, however, the ADAC came up with some unexpected results. CO2 cars indeed have huge CO2 footprints.

The ADAC reminds that energy does not only get used while driving the vehicle, but also for their manufacture and later for their recycling and supply of fuel.

 

According to the ADAC, the manufacture of the electric car’s battery requires a considerable amount of energy, which has a considerable impact on its overall CO2 budget over its lifetime.

The ADAC compared cars from three different segments to find out if electric cars are really more climate friendly: The overall result:

General conclusions are not possible. But: electric cars in Germany today are already in many cases a good environmentally friendly choice. However, they could have a much better CO2 balance if they used exclusively renewable electricity.”

So far Germany’s power grid still relies heavily on fossil fuels.

ADAC looked at diesel, gasoline, natural gas, hybrids, e-cars and others over the range from compact to large sizes cars from a wide variety of manufacturers. It compared the cars after 150,000 km using the German power supply mix of 2013, which had a renewable energy share of 23%. (Today renewable energies have a share of 33%, which would improve the result of the e-cars somewhat).

The ADAC found that only compact electric cars had the best CO2 budget at 22.5 tonnes of CO2, while gasoline powered cars yielded 30 tonnes. For the next bigger class of cars, called small cars, electric cars still came out ahead, “but only when using the optimistic 150,000 total travel distance.” Less than that, however, they were in fact dirtier.

Note that electric cars traveling 150,000 km are rare, if they exist at all. Renewing the batteries would also mean a further CO2 budget setback.

The ADAC calls the results of their comparison “surprising”.

Autobild reports: “The reality, however, is that small e-cars are often used as a second car or a car for the city. At 50,000 km of driving an e-car cannot compensate the high CO2 emissions for manufacturing, recycling and power provision.”

Upper midsize: e-car worthwhile only after 585,000 km

In other words, with Germany’s current electric power supply mix, even small e-cars still have a greater CO2 budget than diesel powered ones of the same class for longer lifetime distances.

German “Autobild” magazine adds:

Surprising results in the upper mid-class cars: Here diesel produces the best result with 33 tonnes of CO2 over 150,000 km! Because the e-car produces so much CO2 (41 tonnes CO2) for the manufacture of the batteries and recycling, they would first be worthwhile only after 580,000 km compared to diesel engine cars.”

So what’s the take home message? If you’re concerned about CO2 warming the planet, then purchase a diesel engine car. End quote.

I wonder what the Gunts are going to say about this not unsurprising result. I’ve always said these virtue-signalling wankers in e-cars drive around emitting vast clouds of smug are ignoring the mining and manufacturing processes that go into their smug driven vehicles.

That’s another myth busted.

just read about the new long range EV version of this in the motoring supplement. 445 kg of battery ( to be fair was only 260 odd kw heavier than an engine but still thats a family of 4 people extra)  and $70k which they said was nearly double the dearest engine model, hell that's a lot of petrol to recoup then, let alone they suggested you had 4.5kw plug installed in your house which adds more costs and then there's the ongoing increase in your electricity bill.

just doesn't add up unless your a member of the greens/Gunts party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBn57BCj0L8

discovered this for myself when my son after months of visits etc locally was referred to starship. Upon getting there I had to explain the whole thing again, was just gobsmacked, I asked them to please get his records sent and to their credit they did, but wow, the public need to be told of these glaringly stupid systems

my old man retired early from his sole optometry practise because he just couldn't afford all the fancy gear they were expecting them to buy with like 10 yrs left of him working.which is why they all work together now in shared practises to share costs, like dentists

people moan about the costs but if you had any idea on how much those machines are costing and they go out of phase at the drop of a hat with any new feature, and with how much they have to spend on continuing their training with conferences all over the world , again single practise you have to shut the doors or pay a locum. you'd start to have some sympathy

part of it is just technology, back in 2008 they may have spent $x  on a mri scanner for example and used it for x things, now they all have and people expect immediate access to ever more expensive equipment with ever more retraining of staff and they test and look at at far more things so the usage is way higher, Friend was recently scanned at 9pm on a sunday where they used to be all booked 8-5 mon to fri

same with all the new expensive drugs for cancer, etc there are far more treatments/cures available which also eat into the running costs, not saying its fair or right but the ability to actually fix so many more ills does cost a lot more

what gets me is how screwed pharmac is when buying our drugs, saw doco on a drug that cost 60k here was $1 in India purely because they would synthesis their own copy so they just sold it to them cheap as any money was better than none. The drug had payed its development costs back 3fold already and they were still reaming us down under

If you wanted a cheaper reversible option you could get your parts vinyl wrapped 

if done properly most would never spot it

those stereos have aux in, you can connect a bluetooth receiver and stream audio in thru the amp and speakers, have to be controlled by the iPod tho. 

agreed doubt you could hold that pace for a second or third lap and it would be a big off when you erred, look at how hard his helmet is bouncing down that last straight, damn impressive driving

15 minutes ago, 3pedals said:

This style of vehicle may be popular BUT the difference between something like this and an X3 /X5 is - in the latter you get:

1. Seats that fit 'erect' humans - not a headrest between the shoulder blades or back of the neck or a seat only suitable for hunchbacks,
2. ergonomics that work for humans of around 180 - 190 cm, 
3. visibility in and out of the vehicle, 
4. an enigine that makes power and torque, 
5. a vehicle that has a drive dynamic not the wooden feel of a dray. 

I avoid/refuse  the Hyundai , Kia , Cruze and others when picking rental cars as the are such a pain in the neck (literally) to drive 

 

interesting as I'm 6,4 and I drove my wifes cruze 25kms once and didn't notice anything until I got out, Shoulders were wrecked for days, can't get in it now without a jersey or pillow stuffed in lower back. can't say Ive ever had a car seat do that so dramatically before in 40 odd years and yes Iv'e repeated it foolishly, there was something very wrong in the seat back which apart from being flat didn't look any different to any other. Sitting in it at car yard you would even say this feels comfortable but it was hell after 30 mins,

1 hour ago, KwS said:

Good lord the Kona is f**k ugly. Fat in the wrong bits, black plastic in the wrong bits, lights everywhere, and that weird squinty look that even Jeep knew was wrong and went away from.

 

agree completely on looks, very nissan juke kinda weird just to be different, latest Hondas are weird too

if they took off the plastic sides and removed that oversized lower outer headlight the actual silouette looks ok

be interesting to see it photoshopped actually

1 hour ago, KwS said:

 

2 minutes ago, kiwi535 said:

this reinforces my view that most people view cars as mobile infotainment systems which require as little driver input as possible.

What a sh*t headline Better?

exactly they used to rabbit on that lexus was the most trusted brand and had the least amount of breakdowns

Big Deal

be a long day before boys have posters of Hyundais/Kias on their bedroom walls

http://build-its-inprogress.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-rubiks-contraption.html

just quietly cause this is a bit sacrilegious, but a 3.7 v36 model 2008/9 skyline coupe has all the power and features, ride is amazing and won't cost you a cent in repairs year after year, and fuel use is phenomenally good

boot is rubbish

5 hours ago, BatmanMW said:

i should also state that currently being quite frugal i was taking the bus for the past 14 months or so. this means sacrificing approx 3 extra hours (vs driving in) of my personal time each day. that bus service costs me $2200 a year using the discounted price via AT card. if my math is right about the 123d then i'm saving about $1061.50 on driving vs bus which goes a significant way towards paying for parking

 

The problem is indeed whether your figures are accurate for the bmws especially the 123d, doesn't take much to skew it over a year. Gobsmacked that the bus works out dearer,  Although your not including, things like parking, tyres repairs and depreciation of a car

3hours a day when buses are supposed to  have special lanes, you sir, deserve a medal

this serious head on crash in Nelson in the news, said she was cut from car with multiple injuries but look at the car, it would appear the doors mostly still opened, windscreen is still in place, pretty impressive design cars are 

59 minutes ago, 3pedals said:

The real issue with the UK is the job market , available jobs are

• Politicians ( shared only by them with their mates,
• Banking / investment
• Insurance
• I.T for  banking and Insurance

Doesn't leave a lot for honest hardworking people Muslim or otherwise

Don't forget Publicans they still enjoy a pint and someone has to pour them and put out the crisps

Britain is screwed but not from the EU

same thing happened with brexit too, once you read into what Britain had changed and done to comply when other countries just ignored the rules, it was laughable. good on them for leaving they were being taken for a ride bigtime

people all just assume  a global economy is a good thing, do you really believe they are doing it for your benefit, wake up

A bit like china investing heavily in Africa and the pacific islands, it ain't because they're feeling altruistic

brake pads do , warrant said they needed doing very shortly, 3 yrs later still flies through annually on same pads.

so much for franchised dealers being completely above underhanded revenue generating

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so fuel relay  had been swopped over with main location. Spent a lot of wasted time chasing no voltage at the fuse or pump only to find power is only there for 2 seconds at key on. learnt something there

anyway 12 month old fuel pump had died, had another spare but wasted more time as hadn't realised it was wired in reverse, made noises but didn't pump fuel caused some more swearing.

working in the dark with a phone for a torch and minimal tools is just not fun

lock smiths have some good gear now, doesn't work don't pay but they know what they're doing usually

Son drove his e36 to shops and it wouldn't restart, cranks fine, same symptoms12 months ago was a new fuel pump to solve.

towed it home and started going through the obvious, fires and runs on a can of engine start in the air cleaner so suspect fuel issue again.

no power at the fuel pump and no power at the fuel pump fuse ? #18  in the engine bay

looked at internet and it indicates fuel relay should be outside the fuse box and is relay 1 of 3  (fuel/main/02 heater relay)

this car only has two in that location and 1 is the main  (pulling it kills everything), swopped the two relays 1 and 2 to prove relays are both ok

so I'm thinking that the second is not the actual fuel relay at all

surely no 12v at fuse mount indicates relay issues or am I missing something

question is where is the relay I'm looking for or am I completely wrong expecting 12v constant at the fuse and the pump with ignition on.

anything to look for particularly, any model weakness points,petrol and diesel still undecided