coop 261 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Has anyone had much to do with these? I may be looking at a 260km round commute to work each day, most of it on the Waikato expressway. I like driving... Used to do 4500km/week in a B train so it is nothing to me. Looking at buying a new F20 1 series. New, as I'd want a manual and there are no used/ex demo ones on the market. Options are the 2.0 diesel which by all accounts can manage high 3.5-4l/100km hwy. Or the 1.6 turbo petrol that can get 4.5-5l/100km hwy. Owners seem to return around 8 litre city driving, the same as my 320d. Highway figures can be misleading as a lot of it is from EU forums where they are 130kmh+ What are both these models like in the real world? Nearly 10 grand extra on the sticker price for the diesel and not a lot better economy... add in road users and the figures dont stack up. Are modern direct injected turbo petrols making them redundant, and they're only selling because they are like those rubbish Hyundais, a trendy fad where everyone needs one?! Edited January 12, 2015 by coop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charles28 136 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 From researching things I've found that diesels seem to closer match the "claimed" economy figures, why this is I have no idea. I was looking at buying a 2014 Polo 1.2 Tsi, it has a claimed average economy of 4.7L/100k, but from research I concluded that the average would really be about 6.1L/100k. But after researching some diesel options I found that they were often closer to the claims. I used websites like www.fuelly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breaker 980 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 NZ ruc's suck the life out of owning a diesel in NZ. Had a CX5 diesel, great drive, torque as but more Eco then petrol, nope not in NZ. may get close if 30k a year at least but buy it for the drive only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E30 325i Rag-Top 2956 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 Market statistics show that the small car market has shrunk considerably for diesels, and yes RUC is sucking the life out of them - same amount of RUC for a 118d as for a 2 tonne ute or 4WD, go figure? Plus economy of the direct injection petrol is getting very close to the diesel figures - but they are much harder to get close theoretical figures as they need a bit more jandal to get them moving up hills, etc. due to less torque low down in the rev range. Having driven the new 2 Series Active Tourer 218i back to back with the 218d I would say the petrol was good, but the diesel was just a little better to drive. Could be personal taste as I do like a diesel though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi535 538 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 NZ ruc's suck the life out of owning a diesel in NZ. Had a CX5 diesel, great drive, torque as but more Eco then petrol, nope not in NZ. may get close if 30k a year at least but buy it for the drive only A diesel is more economical than the same petrol motor,and more economical than a petrol motor with about the same torque.RUC def not set up for small diesel cars.As mentioned above in a smaller diesel doing 5 to 6 l 100 k i pay the same RUC as a 2.5 tonne mitsubishi pajero which uses twice the fuel.The ruc rate for small diesel cars should be half what it is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breaker 980 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 A diesel is more economical than the same petrol motor,and more economical than a petrol motor with about the same torque.RUC def not set up for small diesel cars.As mentioned above in a smaller diesel doing 5 to 6 l 100 k i pay the same RUC as a 2.5 tonne mitsubishi pajero which uses twice the fuel.The ruc rate for small diesel cars should be half what it is Totally, thing that gets me as well, when will the govt cotton on to electrics needing RUC's as well, the whole system needs a reboot, no way should a 1l diesel hatch have to pay the same as a SUV or ute chucking a couple of tonne. Anyway go with what drives best that's the point of owning a BM anyways Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi535 538 Report post Posted January 12, 2015 The powers that be wont want to cut taxes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E30 325i Rag-Top 2956 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Totally, thing that gets me as well, when will the govt cotton on to electrics needing RUC's as well, the whole system needs a reboot, no way should a 1l diesel hatch have to pay the same as a SUV or ute chucking a couple of tonne. Electric cars do need to have RUC, but currently they have an exemption. This will obviously be removed when enough electric cars have been bought so the government can rake in some more $$$$s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcalm 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 There's no doubt RUC hits the diesels in the pocket, but its still cheaper to run than my last two cars... I do 650 kms a week and my 123D does it on around $75 including RUC (a full tank is around $50 and I get 1100 kms plus RUC of $58 per thou). My 328i cost $145 to fill and did 620kms (when gas was $2.20) and I briefly ran a Polo GTI which was $90 (@$2.20) to fill and did 670kms a tank. Roughly, $ for $ including RUC I figure it makes the cost of diesel motoring about the same as petrol, but its the much better economy from a tank and the huge torque of the diesel which makes it fun to drive and cheap to run. Torque (295 lbs) as a E90 M3. I was never a fan of diesels until I spent 3 months driving one in Europe - not huge power and not peaky, just s***loads of torque and handled really well, just fun to drive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi535 538 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 50 a tank?I guess thats with the current low prices?My 120 d used to take about 45 litres??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcalm 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 50 a tank?I guess thats with the current low prices?My 120 d used to take about 45 litres??? No, I sold my 328 in September Back then prices were (AA website) 98 was av. $2.30 (328ci @ 60 litrs $142) Diesel was av. $1.52 in most stations Diesel at unmannned Caltex in Old Hutt Road (wgtn) was $1.22 (45 ptrs @ $1.22 = $54.90) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi535 538 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) I guess I am still thinking 1.50 It used to cost about 70 I go from brimming to empty Edited January 15, 2015 by kiwi535 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deeveus 81 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 There's no doubt RUC hits the diesels in the pocket, but its still cheaper to run than my last two cars... I do 650 kms a week and my 123D . I've driven a remapped 123d and if I didn't have kids I'd own one amazing cars, power everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
