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@Karun no worries, I still keep this thread alive with my updates of our M5. I think base post this on General Discussion here General Discussion - bimmersport.co.nz to get more eyes on it.

I haven’t finished watching this but Sandy is always good

If you haven't asked if they are interested in a M5, you will never know. I know someone who bought a M5, sold it, bought another M5 😂

@treoneI find this hard to believe.... 3 is always greater than 2! 😂 Just think about it, instead of just alternating colors you can pick from 3 different colors!

Tesla's efficiency is really good, motors, software, and weight all play a part. That's why we went for a Model Y (about 1,900 kg, 200-300kg lighter than an i4). Price gap was big, and the BMW had less standard features - like heated steering wheel and rear seats had to be optioned on the i4. But the i4's has: Can tweak regen Adjustable suspension Fake sound (actually helps with driving feedback) Cameras you can view (Tesla's got no 360 view, just rendering what it sees) But the i4 beats most legacy carmakers on efficiency, especially when coasting (thanks to those induction motors) Funny thing is, the Model Y's interior turned out better than we thought. At first, compared to my wife's Cayenne or BMW's Merino seats, it seemed cheap. But after using it, it's just as comfy, maybe even better. The i4's Vernasca or Sensatec doesn't feel any nicer, just looks fancier. Got used to no instrument panel and sometimes prefer it. No distractions just steering wheel and the road, feels more pure. A HUD would make it perfect though. Two years in, couple things bug me about the Model Y: Steering's too sharp (2 turns lock-to-lock). Our daily driver feels twitchier than an M car Stiff suspension - great on twisty roads but harsh on speed bumps for everyday driving. The i4 feels more like what you'd expect for a daily driver compared to an M5. The Model Y's great value, but guess I'm still a BMW at heart - always browsing BMWs on TradeMe, new and old! 🤣

I still have a soft spot for BMWs and I4, first EV I have driven. If you haven't bought an EV and looking for one, this maybe a good option because of low price $75k (relative from new price $110-120k). That said if you just add 10k more already fetches a Model 3 performance, which arguably better in a lot of aspects. But if you want a softer ride, conventional looks, feels like a BMW, etc. this might be a good choice. Roughly 40+k depreciation. 2023 BMW i4 I4 Edrive40 | Trade Me Motors

I think the hot V creates a few issues and the oil consumption is probably least of the issues. I am biased on the S85 as that is what we have, but here is a controversial take on S63. Maybe the later versions S63 on F90s maybe better. Either way budget more than expected any M car.

Not yet, still in the step of "- convince wife this is a good idea" 🤣 I have joined the E38 FB group already, it's been tempting. The 750iL EV conversion (code name: i750L) should be better use of 💰 over a brand new i7... I just need to solve the generating the funds part first.

Took it for a Sunday drive, another M5 had the same idea. We are also now pass the 70k mark, hoping we get less dramas going forward.

I think our M5 still has this, utterly annoying pretty much occupying the whole space. I am not sure if it has a USB printed on the button but definitely has a button. I will try to remember to take a photo of it see if the part will be useful for you to scan.

We went for a Sunday drive, someone else had the same idea. For photographers, you might notice something 🤫

No but Matte Rimac started with an E30. I think EVs are better suited for limo type of cars like the 7 series or small cars like Isetta. That is just my opinion, everyone has their own. It the meantime EV is our daily.

Thanks Richard for the kind words, I also get the opposite sentiment whenever I say good things about Petrol engines, BMW, etc on EV/Tesla forums. Most annoying is only old folks like me know that M3 is a BMW, everyone there use M3 as shortcut for Model 3 🤪 Regarding the slow speed this is not a Tesla thing but an EV thing. They are trying to save electricity, by going slower… super annoying. In detail, drag coefficient goes up exponentially. Since electric motors are very efficient 80% compared to ICE 20% the effect of drag is more obvious on consumption. Most EV also don’t have a transmission, as it got flat torque while ICE runs similar engine speed on 100kph to 50kph as one of gears will be in the sweet spot rpm torque curve. So on ICE you want to be on the fastest possible speed to cover the most ground. While in EV you want least amount of resistance, downhills are the best as you charge your EV. I am still dreaming of that E38 750i that has 1,000nm EV motor, nice plush limo but can leave most Tesla scratching their heads. I haven’t convinced Tina yet, but it is possible. I think a limo like 7 series would suit the silent motors than a 8 series coupe https://www.speedhunters.com/2020/08/converted-the-tesla-powered-bmw-8-series/

I guess you didn’t even bother to read my reply as you already made up your mind. I am a BMW fan hence why own a M5 and here on bimmersport. Before we bought a Tesla my first EV test drive is a BMW I4. The price difference is just too big and too many compromises. Similarly with the OP if the primary reason is transportation there are 2nd hand model 3 in low 30k, occasionally high 20k. There are other newer and better options than an I3. 190wh/km I3 vs 150wh/km model 3, this can be big difference especially if just charging at home. Placing the BMW fan aside as I found out myself after owning a Tesla they are actually good daily’s. I am here trying to help out. He is right that that there is no small character car other than the I3 in NZ market. i have clearly stated that I don’t want this be a Tesla vs BMW. Contrary to popular belief Tesla are actually not that heavy. Model 3 performance is about similar weight as comparable G80 M3. Even for us we replaced a Cayenne with model y which is lighter by 300 kg. The packaging and engineering underneath is surprising hence the efficiency compared to other EVs. We have more storage in it than our Cayenne, so I can’t objectively say it’s worse (minus off-road, another story). I don’t like that it’s a common car, it has also other things I don’t like but it’s livable. Anyway I hope this doesn’t degenerate to name calling thread.

yes I agree. Also got excited about Honda-e when it was announced, but alas the technical underpinnings was a bit poor. The microlino is the car that I really really like... I wish it will be sold here and the price would go down. This is the perfect use case of electric drive train. Hmmm the BMW Isetta was ahead of its time.