jjs 60 Report post Posted March 5, 2008 Pretty sure this is the camstain1 seller who puts about a dozen cars on TM for $1 each week. Naughty naughty... Press Release by Commerce Commission at 11:14 am, 06 Mar 2008 A motor vehicle trader who sold hundreds of cars via the online auction website, Trade Me, has been convicted and fined for failing to provide mandatory information about the vehicles to purchasers. Online Vehicle Auctions Limited (OVAL) was sentenced on Tuesday 4 March in the North Shore District Court on 13 counts of breaches of the Fair Trading Act for failure to display or provide Supplier Information Notices (SINs) as required by the Consumer Information Standards (Used Motor Vehicles) Regulations 2003. The breaches resulted in a fine of $300 on each charge plus $130 of court costs on each charge, a total of $5590. "Purchasing a car is a major financial commitment, and consumers are entitled to accurate information in order to make a better informed purchasing decision. SIN cards provide a standard set of information to consumers", said Paula Rebstock, Commerce Commission Chair. "Whether a motor vehicle trader offers a car for sale on a car lot, or via the internet, their obligations to provide a SIN card are the same," said Ms Rebstock. "When buying a car over the internet, many purchasers may not be able to inspect the car before committing to the sale, so it is even more vital that SINs are clearly and prominently displayed for vehicles sold by motor vehicle traders online." "These regulations have been in place since 2003, and are relatively simple to comply with. Motor vehicle traders have had plenty of time to understand their responsibilities to display SINs and comply with these regulations," said Ms Rebstock. "The Commission will continue to take action when motor vehicle traders fail to display the SIN cards," she said. Background Consumer Information Standards (Used Motor Vehicles) Regulations 2003 state that a Supplier Information Notice (SIN) must be displayed on used motor vehicles offered or displayed for sale by a registered motor vehicle trader or persons through a car market operator. Private sales are not covered by the regulations. The regulations require motor vehicle traders offering or displaying used motor vehicles for sale on the internet to prominently display, or provide access to, a SIN relating to that motor vehicle on the same internet web page as the offer or display for sale and the contract for sale in relation to that motor vehicle. The regulations also require the motor vehicle trader to obtain a written acknowledgment from the buyer of the vehicle that he or she has received a copy of the SIN that relates to that vehicle. The SIN card shows important information about the motor vehicle, such as the car's total cash price, age and odometer reading, together with the trader's registration number. The card also contains information about buyers' legal rights, under the Consumer Guarantees Act, for example. This is the second Commission prosecution of traders selling used cars without SIN cards on Trade Me. In December 2006 Harpers' For Cars Ltd pleaded guilty to 16 breaches of the Fair Trading Act by failing to supply SINs with the cars it sold on Trade Me. The requirement to display the SIN came into effect on 15 December 2003. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Simon* Report post Posted March 5, 2008 Yeah that's him I've looked at a couple of his auctions before. He refuses to answer questions on TM - refers everyone to the oval.co.nz website but you have to register to use it. It's good to see those not complying with regs getting a slap. Pretty minimal fine though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drifty325i 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2008 HAHA Awesome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greg111 13 Report post Posted March 5, 2008 So is this the same guy??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Simon* Report post Posted March 5, 2008 No it's not our "mate" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greg111 13 Report post Posted March 5, 2008 Damn! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 178 Report post Posted March 5, 2008 $5590 is a pathetic fine! That's barely a slap on the wrist for a company that will have made thousands from the dodgy sales of those cars. They should have been fined 50 grand, that would have made them think twice about not supplying SINs in the first place! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e30plz 1 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 I agree with Gannetboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
togate 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 +1 that fine is just the price of selling one car, he has sold well over a hundred by now. i refused to buy from him due to the lack of information and dodgy photos on tardme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bradc 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 I was once interested in one of their cars they had for sale, turned up in a 3 year old manual v8 holden monaro, and was looking at a v6 2.5 manual Legnum. They wouldn't let me drive it at all, and when I asked about the gearlevel being very difficult (two hands) to push into gear and that I wanted to take it for a drive around the parking lot they just said no, and refused to move another car so I could drive it at all. I told them they were a pack of wankers and left black lines on their lot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OLLIE 26 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 was his name cumstain1 ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenetti 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 (edited) definitely camstain1............ and he is still trading, reading his feedback is very interesting though. he has 1500 overall feedback. He has sold over 1950 cars through Trade Me! Even if you take the 1500 feedback and average $1000 profit per sale, that makes $1.5mil. A $6k fine is like a slap on the wrist with a wet tissue!!! Edited March 6, 2008 by zenetti Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greg111 13 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 So what the haps with his position on TM now? Gone??? You would bloody hell think so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenetti 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 (edited) So what the haps with his position on TM now? Gone??? You would bloody hell think so? Nothing will happen, too much of a money spinner for them 1900 cars at $30 each time = $57000. I know the guy that owns Harpers for Cars (ducks for cover). Roger is a genuinely nice guy and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a car from him. He only got done because he was too lazy to put a SIN up - however ONE EXPENSIVE lesson later his cars now always have them. The Commerce Commission sent down a 'mystery shopper' to catch him out as they were having a big blitz on TM. These guys were probably caught at the same time. Edited March 6, 2008 by zenetti Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allan 295 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 We all pay for our SINS in the end, sorry guys just couldn't help myself, the devil in me made me do it. Cheers Allan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cainchapman 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 We all pay for our SINS in the end, sorry guys just couldn't help myself, the devil in me made me do it. Cheers Allan Legendary Allan! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yuen 16 Report post Posted March 6, 2008 We all pay for our SINS in the end, sorry guys just couldn't help myself, the devil in me made me do it. Cheers Allan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
