boy racers gone too far?

[E46-RAT 1]

*sigh* Where does one even start with this crap.

Just when you think it cant get any worse with those boyracers in 'Crimechurch',this happens!

I think from now on in,if you are crazy enough to drive round with some of these nincompoops,then expect to be treated like a criminal,even if you are doing nothing wrong yourself.

If you have a modified car ,but dont hang round at midnight with braindead bozo's then you should be ok.

Most police are reasonably fair minded,but the patience is wearing thin and i cant blame them really.

Because i am in my thirties and a lot more responsible these days i am happy to say i get no grief from the police.

But if i had access to the fast cars i own now when i was 18 god help the public,and i think i would be dead lol.

[crazyarab 6]

P.S I recall hearing Brisbane has a whole freeway which is avaliable to the public for drag racing. It is a hit over there. All of the "boy racers" congregate there along with their car hoes.

This is what they need to do imo.

I don't see why they would risk the police if they could do it legally...

Anyone else still at it... cursh their cars and take their licenses away forever!

Edited February 2, 2009 by crazyarab

[Forrest 35]

Personally demerits deter me more than any fine. That said, the current demerits system is fairly penalising - you can't get away with much before you lose your license - so I don't think it needs to be made any tougher. Same with the boy racer legislation - breaking traction etc all comes with license loss and impounding. The problem is they then go out and drive with no license. Sale of the car would be a fairly good deterrent.

Under the old legislation he would have had to go to court BEFORE they could take his license or car. So even if the above cop was certain that he had the right man (and we assume he did, and wasn't just being a d*ck) as with all law some get a pretty rough time of it. I can already see headlines of the wrong car getting crushed!

I agree with this, there has to be something tougher done i.e sale of car or crusher, but i guess taking a licence is still the most feasible thing to do, something like licence suspension for a extended period, with instant jail time thrown in, instead of just fines the majority of the time people do things wrong in regards to boy racer activities. End of the day its cliche as on this topic but something has to be done with education and preventing the idiots from getting a licence.

[westy 614]

This is what they need to do imo.

I don't see why they would risk the police if they could do it legally...

Anyone else still at it... cursh their cars and take their licenses away forever!

I dont think this idea, which has been wheeled out over and over, will ever work.

The reason being that these pricks arn't into 'cars'. They arn't boy racers as the old term relates.

They are common criminals who use cars to commit criminal acts.

They do it because its illegal and because its antisocial. Kinda like tagging really.

I think the cops have enough powers to use to sort this sh*t out why arn't they?

[laadeelaa 0]

I dont think this idea, which has been wheeled out over and over, will ever work.

Well...you'll never know untill you try...it works in Australia, so why shouldn't it work here?

I think the cops have enough powers to use to sort this sh*t out why arn't they?

Do they?? Well...it's been going on for long enough, and nothing has ever been done about it. It's just one of those things that will always be a problem. A majority of guys (and some girls) will go through the phase. It's just a matter of time and they will grow out of it. And the next lot of kiddies will come along. It's the "wheel of boy-racers".

[pjay 8]

Some people really don't grow out of it. I bet half the oldies on here speed every now and then down the straights of a road, taking corners a bit quicker than the marked 35km sign.

Whats the definition of a boy racer? Im sick of that word.

Call us Speed racers...

Yeeeah

[martyyn 2]

Whats the definition of a boy racer? Im sick of that word.

Or to turn it around.....define 'oldie'. Thats what you automatically label anyone who has a different opinion on the subject.

[*Glenn* 854]

On an open road the speeds on corners are suggested speed and underated. Your call at the speed you go round them at, so long as its not over the open road speed. On the bike I could usually go round at twice the speed.

BTW Marty I think the young ones call anyone over 30 an oldie

[Guest FrantiC]

I reckon if they suspend someones license for 6 months "drag racing" or whatever, Impound the car AFTER they get their licence back. Whats the point impounding it straight away 28 days when they can't drive it anyways? Then they get it back and drive it as per usual with no licence again before they get their licence back.

It's things like that they need to look at IMO. Even impounding cars for longer.

And seriously if they had somewhere where they could "rip it up" every now and then, drag race and go nuts in a more controlled environment like maybe a drag strip and skid pad where they could go nuts...part of the problem is them having nowhere else to do it (drag strip, skid pads)

[pjay 8]

Or to turn it around.....define 'oldie'. Thats what you automatically label anyone who has a different opinion on the subject.

Well boy racers are generalized as younger kids/teenagers.

So am I incorrect with my statement?

[pjay 8]

On an open road the speeds on corners are suggested speed and underated. Your call at the speed you go round them at, so long as its not over the open road speed. On the bike I could usually go round at twice the speed.

BTW Marty I think the young ones call anyone over 30 an oldie

+ 15km on top of the sign is my comfortable speed to any corner. so 65 becomes 100, 35 becomes 50. etc

And i only used the term "oldies" as per my above post

[martyyn 2]

Well boy racers are generalized as younger kids/teenagers.

So am I incorrect with my statement?

You said you didnt like the term 'boy racer' yet are happy to label anyone on this thread with an opposite view to yourself as an 'oldie'.

All I asked you to do was define what you mean by 'oldie' which you havent done.

Personally I dont find 'boy racer' that hard to define at all. Its simply any retard who behaves in the same way as those have done in CHC. Illegal drag racing, burnouts on public road etc. Ive not made any indication on the age of those people and Im sure there are people over the age of 25 who indulge in this sort of thing as well.

Im just fed up with listening to people complain about being labelled a boy racer who are then happy to label someone as 'old'

[bravo 35]

And seriously if they had somewhere where they could "rip it up" every now and then, drag race and go nuts in a more controlled environment like maybe a drag strip and skid pad where they could go nuts...part of the problem is them having nowhere else to do it (drag strip, skid pads)

Probably not. The types that instigated this particular law rehash would have no interest in doing what they do in a controlled environment. Its the lack of control, the drinking, the unsafeness, and illegality that is the attraction more so than the act of doing a burnout. Although I support the creation of such places (as I would possibly use them myself), I do not think it would fix the problem.

Jail time might. Imagine if your mate got six months for doing a burnout? You wouldn't even consider it. Obviously this would be for second or third time offenders as the penalty would to some extent outweigh the crime otherwise.

The problem I have is the more these idiots act like idiots, the harder the laws get, and therefore the more restrictive it is to do anything legally. Most of the time it is the law abiding citizen who must be inconvenienced or attract costs to ensure they follow the laws put in place to stop those that are flaunting them anyway.

So far noone in government has made any suggestions that would specifically target the problem without bringing in a bunch of collateral casualties in the form of car enthusiasts who are doing their best to enjoy their cars they way they want (usually fast, sleek, loud and expensive) whilst staying within the law.

Why are the police not rounding all of the people at these illegal drags and arresting as many as they can for disorderly offences, alcohol-related offences, public nuisance and so on.

A powerful law with dire consequences has little effect if there is a low chance of being charged with it.

One more thing - I hate how in nz there seems to be this idea that to maintain control, we must continually place additional restrictions on citizens - why not just punish those that break the existing restrictions harder? All the new laws will do is create more work for an over-worked police force. How about we take peoplse licenses off them quicker and lock them up if they continue to offend. Fuller jails, but less offending and less offenders = less work for the police.

Edited February 2, 2009 by bravo

[martyyn 2]

Why are the police not rounding all of the people at these illegal drags and arresting as many as they can for disorderly offences, alcohol-related offences, public nuisance and so on.

What Id really like to know is what laws are already in place that could be used to get these idiots off the street.

Whenever this subject comes up all we hear are the police saying they have no powers and the politicians saying they need to make new laws but I cant seriously believe that weve made it to 2009 without the police having the powers to remove drunken idiots from the street.

[*Glenn* 854]

Burhnam camp is just down the road. Engage the Army with the police...encircle CHC on friday night. Grab every little wanka out there, impound every car. Do it once, you might get a few innocent ones, but the warning to them all would be out there. Police I think will already have O tollerance from any of the idiots out there. I just wonder what is going to happen this Friday night.

Edited February 2, 2009 by *Glenn*

[wolliver 1]

Probably not. The types that instigated this particular law rehash would have no interest in doing what they do in a controlled environment. Its the lack of control, the drinking, the unsafeness, and illegality that is the attraction more so than the act of doing a burnout. Although I support the creation of such places (as I would possibly use them myself), I do not think it would fix the problem.

imo this would help distinguish between the responsible and the iresposible... most of the 'boy racers' i socialise with dream of a skid pad to be able to let rip and smoke 'em up, this also gives them a chance to meet up and check out every1s cars and show off your own.... thats wat the auckland city drags are bascily anyway lol, they want to do this legally with out having to worry about any police, as for the drinking side of things the drivers arnt usually drinking, if the car smells of alcohol its always the passengers imo

and those that still continue to do all this on the streets are the iresponsible ones... these are the ones police need to crack down on, need to fine and impound their cars

[*Glenn* 854]

Just thought of something. Do local city Mayors have the power to instigate martial law in their cities??

Obviously there is a huge problem in CHC... Bob Parker has to do something before some one is killed.

If you take the problem to parliament, all the "soft cocks" will get involved

[Guest Simon*]

It's a copout to label some people "boy racers", or at least to dump them all in the same category.

The little pricks that attacked the cop in Chch aren't boy racers, that's incidental that cars were involved, they are just violent criminals. A lot of them are more gang, than car club - treat them the same as any other patched gang. They should be tried for attempted murder. I expect examples to be made of anyone who goes after the Cops - especially that f**kwit that beat the female officer half to death.

There are definitely young "car enthusiasts" out there who are relatively harmless and like to do the odd skid.

The trouble is everyone wants to have a drink, or at least watch while drinking. So the sanctioned skid pads and drag strips are no good to them if they can't get on the piss while watching their mates burn rubber - because of the supervision.

Even "oldies" like me like going round the odd corner sideways and chewing through our tyres too fast, I'd hate to be whacked with some heavy "boy racer" legislation because of it.

So they need to be careful about labelling people and how they apply the law. I agree with Martyn's comment though, surely police have enough power now to arrest and prosecute people under current legislation for drunkenness, public nuisance, property damage, antisocial behaviour, violence and the like even before they get started on the illegally modded cars.

[Gaz 1058]

And seriously if they had somewhere where they could "rip it up" every now and then, drag race and go nuts in a more controlled environment like maybe a drag strip and skid pad where they could go nuts...part of the problem is them having nowhere else to do it (drag strip, skid pads)

Dude, The PBDRA opened up the skid pad at Ruapuna for a bit on Friday and Saturaday nights but everyone came to watch, got drunk, and then left and did skids on the way out and up and down the street.

Won't and doesn't work.

[bravo 35]

It's a copout to label some people "boy racers", or at least to dump them all in the same category.

The little pricks that attacked the cop in Chch aren't boy racers, that's incidental that cars were involved, they are just violent criminals.

Word.

If I was doing a burnout with some mates and the cops showed up I'd probably crap my pants and hope they went easy on me, not throw bottles or fire upon them with a rifle, air-powered or otherwise.

[laadeelaa 0]

And seriously if they had somewhere where they could "rip it up" every now and then, drag race and go nuts in a more controlled environment like maybe a drag strip and skid pad where they could go nuts...part of the problem is them having nowhere else to do it (drag strip, skid pads)

AGREED. Kudos to you little one.

[Guest Simon*]

Word.

If I was doing a burnout with some mates and the cops showed up I'd probably crap my pants and hope they went easy on me, not throw bottles or fire upon them with a rifle, air-powered or otherwise.

These morons have to be especially stupid since that undercover cop was killed with an air rifle last year, everytime one gets waved now the cops will shoot first and ask questions never.

AGREED. Kudos to you little one.

Ah the wisdom of teenage girls - so worldly

[pjay 8]

Id tend to disagree but agree at the same time with the FrantiC and the lady here. I think?

If people have a public burnout pad, it WILL get abused. People will drink there. Cause trouble there. It will go to utter sh*t. Nothing positive will come out of it.

Now if there was a "club" say that controlled a private pad. And you had to be a member to use it. And someone responsible judged your eligibility based on whatever. And there was security to bash the sh*t out of any losers that snuck in. Then it could possibly work

Then we could at least seperate the "boy racers" from the "car enthusiasts".. Because the boy racers would stay winners doing skids down the end of a road, and the "car enthusiasts" would join the said club and keep it legit.

Idno.. an idea.

Edited.. my italics failed

Edited February 2, 2009 by Pjay

[bravo 35]

There's one in Dargaville - Used for burnout comp every year, but you can arrange to have a "practice" any time you like by contacting the owner.

And I have one

[Guest FrantiC]

There is one in Hastings, U drive (skid pad and a "0" circuit which can be drifted). Though it's not really allowed for road cars anymore...

But it was great every saturday and sunday people taking down their cars for a drift and a go on the burnout pad...

Also Every Friday night here there are boy racer meets in town. Then everyone goes for a long cruise to Napier and all around. Police monitor it, But everything is usually sweet we can take our cars out and everyone can show them off, No one does burnouts though and it's usually guys full of cars with drunk chicks etc Lol. Thats about as much action as we see down here.

Edited February 3, 2009 by FrantiC