DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.a...ison?&mid=0 10 Pence Short's post. This is very relevant to all of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nobimmer 694 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Legit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Yup... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjay 8 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 What, we get jail time in New Zealand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 google tells me: Careless Driving Causing Injury: Penalty: The maximum penalty is imprisonment of up to 3 months or a fine of up to $4500. The Court must disqualify you from driving for 6 months or more. Dangerous Driving: The maximum penalty for dangerous driving without causing injury or death is up to 3 months in prison and/or a fine of up to $4,500 and the loss of your licence for at least 6 months. If you cause injury or death, the penalty is worse - a maximum of 5 years imprisonment and/or a fine of up to $20,000, and disqualification from driving for a minimum period of 1 year. If you cause death and there are aggravating factors such as you were fooling around on the road prior to the accident or there was excess alcohol involved you may be charged with manslaughter. Imprisonment is then highly likely with the maximum being life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apex 693 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 I dont have the attention span to read the entire post. Have had the near same type of accident myself only the motorcyclist was a learner and had had two beers at the pub, he lost a mirror and I gained a big dent in my door, because he was a learner and had been drinking we both went our separate ways no details swapped. Could have gone a different way though. Morel is. Motorcycles are dangerous buy a car instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacko 2158 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) ^ I think you missed the point. Epic post by 10 pence, makes ya think. Edited October 20, 2010 by Jacko Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 loose it on corner and bamm 1 year prison term... later in the thread a guy comments about looking for a CD in a wallet, remembers the post by 10p and throws it on the passengers seat, 50m down the road a girl falls off her bike and into the road which he manages to avoid. He seriously questions his ability to avoid the girl if he hadn't put the wallet down and turned the radio on instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydoogle 383 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Fooo.... that's a scary read. FWIW, bikes are not dangerous.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polley 916 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 tl;dr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antil33t 90 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 tl;dr Guy goes for a casual spirted drive, Guy loses control of car car hits motorcyclist car f**ks up motorcyclist guy realises he's f**ked up the guy, feels guilt guy ends up in jail + 3 years ban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polley 916 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Guy goes for a casual spirted drive, Guy loses control of car car hits motorcyclist car f**ks up motorcyclist guy realises he's f**ked up the guy, feels guilt guy ends up in jail + 3 years ban sh*t i just renew ip when i get ban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deeveus 81 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Very sobering indeed. He needs to invest in 4WD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R90S 2 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 I dont have the attention span to read the entire post. Have had the near same type of accident myself only the motorcyclist was a learner and had had two beers at the pub, he lost a mirror and I gained a big dent in my door, because he was a learner and had been drinking we both went our separate ways no details swapped. Could have gone a different way though. Morel is. Motorcycles are dangerous buy a car instead. I'm intrigued that you mention the rider was " . . . a learner and had had two beers . . . . " yet your conclusion is that "motorcycles are dangerous". They are dangerous compared to what? Motorcycles are dangerous but cars are safe? Anyone riding a motorcycle is dangerous? All motorcycles are dangerous? Please give us the benefit of your undoubted wisdom on the subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polley 916 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Possibly compared to say.... a car? Having a crash on a bike you are more likely to hurt yourself than having a crash in a car. A car vs bike crash, more likely for biker to get hurt? Bike has lower visibility to other road users? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cale 36 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Cages aren't as much fun. Risk/return tradeoff. Scary how such a small mistake or lapse in concentration can change many people's lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R90S 2 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 Possibly compared to say.... a car? Having a crash on a bike you are more likely to hurt yourself than having a crash in a car. A car vs bike crash, more likely for biker to get hurt? Bike has lower visibility to other road users? You raise an interesting point about visibility. A large study was carried out in the USA back in the 1980's to establish which vehicles held the greatest awareness for drivers. Number 1 was fire engines with their lights. Number two was . . . motorcycle-riding cops. What the survey established was that when we use the term "visibility" we're more often meaning "risk" and for most road-users, motorcycles don't pose much risk unless they are ridden by large hairy dentally-challenged thugs. You are also missing a small point when you casually refer to "a car vs bike crash" when you omit to ask the fundamental question of fault. In 7 out of 10 cases, the car driver is at fault. Sure, riding a motorcycle involves more "risk", but much of that risk is due to other road-users who fail to observe their environment with sufficient diligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 1 Report post Posted October 20, 2010 loose it on corner and bamm 1 year prison term... later in the thread a guy comments about looking for a CD in a wallet, remembers the post by 10p and throws it on the passengers seat, 50m down the road a girl falls off her bike and into the road which he manages to avoid. He seriously questions his ability to avoid the girl if he hadn't put the wallet down and turned the radio on instead. I'm surprised they havent tried to make some sort of lock-out on radio controls (bar volume) while the car is moving. Kind of how the TV works in BMWs, once you're over 5kph you cant change a track, radio station, cd etc. I'd love to know how many crashes happen because a driver was looking around the passenger seat or glovebox to change a cd and not looking where he was going. Its not so bad no with more cars having steering wheel controls but I've been in vehicles where the radio controls may have been on the other side of the car Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffdunedin 8 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 Sounds a bit of a manufactured post too me (like the WRX phone message one) Sure it's interesting and pulls on the heart strings but TBH, the idiots that do go out there and deliberatly drift around corners are not going to be concerned about "another accident" story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 nope not manufactured at all... he's named and shamed in a local newspaper article and one of the bikes that stopped and provided first aid to the biker that hit the car comes on later in the thread and comments on a few things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*Glenn* 854 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 Have you ever been on a cruise and had someone killed on the cruise ?? I've been on 4 that this has happened... 3 on the Ducati & 1 in the Ti.... its not a nice situation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffdunedin 8 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 nope not manufactured at all... he's named and shamed in a local newspaper article and one of the bikes that stopped and provided first aid to the biker that hit the car comes on later in the thread and comments on a few things. Sorry, just meant, it seems like it is! Personally i got bored after the 5th page, just random dudes asking if he had been "buggered" or what was jail or his first cellmate was like. Maybe some young guys about to go for a stretch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) Have you ever been on a cruise and had someone killed on the cruise ?? I've been on 4 that this has happened... 3 on the Ducati & 1 in the Ti.... its not a nice situation I've been on two where people have been very very lucky to not been killed/very seriously injured. A lot of people on here where also at one that someone was killed, they probably don't remember. Edited October 21, 2010 by DRTDVL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R90S 2 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 Have you ever been on a cruise and had someone killed on the cruise ?? I've been on 4 that this has happened... 3 on the Ducati & 1 in the Ti.... its not a nice situation Glenn, remind me not to come on any of your rides!!! Seriously though, I had a situation two years ago where two guys almost got killed on a ride, due to one rider's near-fatal combination of inexperience and over-exuberance together with a poorly maintained bike. This rider hadn't ridden with us before. Now, I'm normally very careful about who I ride with, but he'd had been invited by one of "our" guys who (it later transpired) didn't actually know him very well. Won't happen again. If we're honest, none of us are immune from momentary inattention. Most times, we "get away with it" but this guy didn't . . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*Glenn* 854 Report post Posted October 21, 2010 I sold the Ducati 4 years ago after doing about a 50 metre front wheel stand under braking at over a 100kph. Speed wise I was in the wrong, but the other prick in the car failed to give way. I also ran with my headlight on and a spot light under the fairing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
