M2 CS Racing "Affordable"

[Driftit 2093]

Looks like a nice package. 

100k USD though.

BMW Introduces M2 CS Racing As An Affordable Track Machine.

https://www.motor1.com/news/381104/bmw-m2-cs-racing-affordable/amp/

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

It’s certainly a different definition of affordable to mine!

The blurb also refers to the M2 CS Racing as being “entry level”.. in terms of the BMW Motorsport line up, it is the entry model but that’s a pretty high starting point!

For a factory-backed and supported package it’s pretty good, shame it’s beyond my means...

[M3AN 4016]

The reality these days is that you can have twice the fun at half the price. 

I can't understand why BMW keep pumping these incremental models. All they're doing is devaluing something they've just sold. 

It strikes me that they're no longer selling to people who value the engineering excellence, just those who want a status symbol. 

Well boo-hoo, it's no longer a status symbol, its just an automotive cocoon that we know you don't know how to drive. 

And unfortunately that devalues the entire brand. I jumped on the BMW train because it was an engineering train... now it's just a marketing train... Audi seem to be doing the better engineering job these days... sad. 

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

11 hours ago, M3AN said:

The reality these days is that you can have twice the fun at half the price. 

Wow, an FIA approved BoP registered factory backed race package for half that price? So, Euro50k? Please post up a link or pm me as that’s in my budget so would be very keen, thanks.

[M3AN 4016]

No, twice the fun at half the price is what I said, you even quoted it! Your reinterpretation has nothing to do with what I said. 

It's a luxury indulgence for the very few, you could have twice the fun at half the price. Fact. 

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

Are we even talking about the same thing here...? The M2 race car in the original post?

Have spent a bit of time googling to try and find this euro50k factory racer, but with no joy.  If it’s twice as fun, for the 50k, it should be a great package!

[M3AN 4016]

If you think a race car only costs the purchase price then you need to spend more time on Google lol.

You can have twice the fun for half the price. Period. 

[M3AN 4016]

FWIW, as an example, buy 2 Evo V's, add a piggy back with launch control, anti-lag and boost ramp, add cages. Now you've spent half as much as the BMW and have TWO cars that will be quicker around any NZ track and you can race with a mate as opposed to pleasuring yourself. And I can promise you that the Evo's will give you a far safer experience on the limit than the BMW. Bin both of them and you can still buy another two. 

 

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

Yeah, you can buy any old shitter add a cage and go on a track. Friday track days at Pukekohe are full of them.

Lots of opportunities to race in grass roots stuff in NZ as well.

If that’s your idea of fun, go for gold.

[Jacko 2158]

Anything but an Aston Vulcan or Ferrari FXX makes you a dirty peasant who shouldnt be able to race. 

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

13 hours ago, M3AN said:

FWIW, as an example, buy 2 Evo V's, add a piggy back with launch control, anti-lag and boost ramp, add cages. Now you've spent half as much as the BMW and have TWO cars that will be quicker around any NZ track and you can race with a mate as opposed to pleasuring yourself. And I can promise you that the Evo's will give you a far safer experience on the limit than the BMW. Bin both of them and you can still buy another two. 

Quicker around any NZ track... possibly for the first four or five laps (less if its Hampton Downs International or the full Highlands Park track), then the brakes will start to be an issue as you haven't upgraded those in your shopping list, shortly after your road tyres are going to be overheating due to the tread blocks moving about under load, so you'd need a set of semis at least, missed off the list. Then you'd be sick of rolling around like a Spanish galleon through corners, so you would need a  new set of adjustable shocks and springs, all times two of course as its for both cars. At which point you then find out how flogged all your bushes are so they all need to come out an be replaced. So now you have an EVO that can stand up to a decent track day, or even race event, oh but wait, the piggy back ecu and tune has now caused the over-stressed engine to blow a foo-foo valve because none of the cooling has been upgraded on the shopping list. So that's a rebuild (or two) and while you're in there you probably want to go forged internals, chuck on a bigger turbo, and do some head work. How much are we up to by now..?

Once the engines all back together and been on the dyno for a good few hours to be broken in and tuned, you should be all good to go back to the track, at which point the 250,000km gearbox and or centre differential decides it's had enough of all this extra torque and abuse and lunches itself. It's about now you start to think to yourself what was that expression about fast, cheap, reliable racecars again?

1 hour ago, Jacko said:

Anything but an Aston Vulcan or Ferrari FXX makes you a dirty peasant who shouldnt be able to race. 

Thanks for your input Tony Quinn, unfortunately a lot of those "Gentleman Racers" don't have as much ability as they have available horse power in their cars, so can be almost as much an issue as the Flat Peak Cap brigade in their cheap Evos at Pukekohe track days.

 

14 hours ago, M3AN said:

If you think a race car only costs the purchase price then you need to spend more time on Google lol.

It does if you don't take it to the track and just keep it in the garage... but where is the fun in that. Or you can do what I do, and have a racecar that never makes it to the track and still costs lots of money each month, I must be going wrong somewhere?

[M3AN 4016]

14 hours ago, E30 325i Rag-Top said:

Yeah, you can buy any old shitter add a cage and go on a track. Friday track days at Pukekohe are full of them.

Lots of opportunities to race in grass roots stuff in NZ as well.

If that’s your idea of fun, go for gold.

You clearly have no idea what an Evo is, or is capable of. Go back to Google. 

[str8_6 275]

8 hours ago, M3AN said:

You clearly have no idea what an Evo is, or is capable of. Go back to Google. 

Hey Google, what’s an Evo? 

“Based on your recent search history, I could only find one outcome”

? https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a27193651/bmw-e30-m3-sport-evolution-changes/

Edited November 19, 2019 by str8_6

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

12 hours ago, M3AN said:

You clearly have no idea what an Evo is, or is capable of. Go back to Google. 

I didn't see your post sorry, I was in the garage doing some shitty jobs on the race car, wondering to myself "should I sell this and buy an M2 CS Racing?" "would I miss this tinkering in the shed? Would it be more fun?" the whole built versus bought type argument comes into play. It's hard to answer, would you really work on the car if you could pay someone else to do it for you? Some stuff, yes, as its fun, the shitty boring jobs, probably, no definately not. Other things (thankfully not that many) you have to pay for if you don't have the requisite skills.

There are a whole heap of different makes and models that are colloquially referred to as "Evo" from even BMW itself as str8_6 has linked above (total porn btw), indeed even your own trusty E36 M3 steed is often referred to as the Evo, through some Italian makers, M-B, right down to the Mitsi Lancer that I know you are referring to. How did I deduce this Dr. Watson? quite elementary. The illustrious E30 M3 only got as far as an Evo 3, the 190E got as far as EVO II I believe, so that narrows it down to just a few. Add in the references to anti-lag and boost maps and we know it's a turbo car - so voila, the Mitsubishi Lancer is the answer.

You have been hoist by your own petard, Your reinterpretation has nothing to do with what I said.  Taking my reference to old shitters to mean the Evo V is in an interesting Freudian interpretation. Depending on your own particular choice of flavour there a plenty of cars in this bracket, from Scooby Legacys and Imprezzas, various Nissans and even the Mitsis. All great bang for buck, and easy to modify for improved performance should you be so inclined. I have done my time in this area of the car "scene" with various whips, doing "mean skids bro" and going brrrrrrrrrr, brrrrrrrr, pssstt around town. However, I now prefer to wear my cap the right way around and with a curved brim, preferrably something understated yet moderately expensive. 

As I am moving into the "Gentleman Racer" period of life, there is little fun to be had from banging door handles with people who think they are the next SvG and longer, Endurance racing is more appealing (as I am clearly an Endurance Athlete this suits me... lol!) where lots of other factors other than outright peak speed come into play. If going "wheeee" for six laps is fun, think how much fun it is to do it for one, three, six or even 24 hours.

[Jacko 2158]

I read all this, and saw no "Epstein didnt kill himself" in this whole thread, I am disappointed.  

[E30 325i Rag-Top 2963]

That's because everyone knows the Illuminati did it.