f/l vs pf/l myths or facts?

[tire 10]

There are 2 things I want to clear up re the difference between pfl and fl E30s.

1. Someone once told me fl e30s are about 100kgs heavier that pfls due to revised door construction or something along those lines. I had never been told that before and haven't heard it since. Is that bullsh!t?

2. Is it true that fls had better rust proofing?

Please don't give me hearsay. Post evidence

Cheers

[ThreeOneEight 0]

Re: Weight

My owner's manual that came with my car new lists a FL 318i 4 door with manual transmission, as having an unladen weight (that is, ready to drive, with a full tank, but no passengers or special equipment (eg factory options like electric windows and (probably?) power steering)) at 1110kg.

If you still have your owner's manual from your pre FL car, check the back, there should be a list of weights and dimensions. Autocar UK contemporary road tests list a 1986 BMW 318i four door manual saloon as weighing 1070kg, which is 'as tested', with a full tank of fuel.

Apparently an M10 weighs 83kg, and an M40 weighs 81kg.

Of course, we could always take your car and my car to a weighbridge!

Edited September 16, 2008 by ThreeOneEight

[tire 10]

Re: Weight

My owner's manual that came with my car new lists a FL 318i 4 door with manual transmission, as having an unladen weight (that is, ready to drive, with a full tank, but no passengers or special equipment (eg factory options like electric windows and (probably?) power steering)) at 1110 kg.

If you still have your owner's manual from your pre FL car, check the back, there should be a list of weights and dimensions. Autocar UK contemporary road tests list a 1986 BMW 318i four door manual saloon as weighing 1070kg, which is 'as tested', with a full tank of fuel.

Of course, we could always take your car and my car to a weighbridge!

Id be keen for a weigh-off sometime. Yes I have all my orig documentation I'l check that. I remember reading it and seeing a manual 318i is only like a sec slower to 100 than a 325 auto lulz.

[mr E34 11]

The only thing i can tell you for sure is the facelift E30 shell had many improvements in crash testing, the offset 56km per hr frontal was designed into the new shell. This would presumably add more weight.

[Apex 693]

The only thing i can tell you for sure is the facelift E30 shell had many improvements in crash testing, the offset 56km per hr frontal was designed into the new shell. This would presumably add more weight....

....And chassis stiffness. Rust? Are the facelifts galvanised.

My fact is the FL also has lower rear arches and aprons.

[mr E34 11]

My E30 marketing booklet of the time states, ' the body is zinc plated WHERE appropriate, then it is dipped into a phosphate bath, primed in a cathodic dip bath, all cavities waxed etc'

[Mark 178]

all cavities waxed

Kinky.

[tire 10]

My fact is the FL also has lower rear arches and aprons.

I know that g

My E30 marketing booklet of the time states, ' the body is zinc plated WHERE appropriate, then it is dipped into a phosphate bath, primed in a cathodic dip bath, all cavities waxed etc'

Is the book for fls or all e30s?

[mr E34 11]

Is the book for fls or all e30s?

Facelift E30's only.

edit: will scan & post a couple of pages for you.

Edited September 16, 2008 by mr E34

[tire 10]

That would be great sir.

A wealth of knowledge you are.

[bmpower 3]

Unladen weight, ready to drive, full tank, excluding special equipment of prefl, 0-100, top speed

Model manual/auto - 0-100 manual/auto - top speed manual/auto

318i 2dr 1010/1040 - 11.2/13.1 - 186/179

318i 4dr 1030/1060 - 11.2/13.1 - 186/179

318i cat 2dr 1020/1040 - 11.8/13.9 - 184/177

318i cat 4dr 1040/1080 - 11.8/13.9 - 184/177

My 325i Manual 4dr

325i 1145kg 0-100 8.3 and 217 km/h

Edited September 16, 2008 by bmpower

[bmpower 3]

Id be keen for a weigh-off sometime. Yes I have all my orig documentation I'l check that. I remember reading it and seeing a manual 318i is only like a sec slower to 100 than a 325 auto lulz.

318i manual no cat 0-100 is 11.2

325i auto 0-100 is 10.0

[tire 10]

318i manual no cat 0-100 is 11.2

325i auto 0-100 is 10.0

so I was right. mean. 1145 seems awfully light for your 325i kerry?

[Palazzo 474]

Pre facelift 318i, 1010 manual, 1040 auto.

FL, 1065 manual, 1085 auto.

Pfl 325i, 1125/1145

Fl 325i, 1180/1200

Pfl 318i, 77kw, Fl 318i, 85kw.

325i remains the same.

All from owners manuals.

[mr E34 11]

Scanned 2 pages of facelift E30.

[bmpower 3]

so I was right. mean. 1145 seems awfully light for your 325i kerry?

according to my books thats what it is!

325i 2dr manual 1125kg

325i 2dr auto 1145kg

325i 4dr manual 1145kg

325i 4dr auto 1165kg

Some other figures....

Lightest is 316 manual 2dr @ 1000KG

Heaviest is 325i AWD manual 4dr @ 1235kg

Quickest to 100 and highest top speed is 325i manual @ 8.3secs and 217km/h

Slowest to 100 and lowest top speed is 324d auto @ 18.5secs and 156km/h

Also the man/auto 325i and man AWD 325i are the only 2 to have a top speed over 200km/h

Lowest power 324d @ 63kw

Hightest power 325i @ 126kw

Lowest torque 316 and 318i cat @ 140nm

Highest torque 325e cat @ 230nm

[Palazzo 474]

Not quite.

Heaviest is auto 325i Conv at 1330kg, followed by auto 325i touring at 1290kg.

[ThreeOneEight 0]

Actually, second heaviest is the E30 M3 Cabriolet, at 1299kg!

Aren't we just huge nerds today!

[Eagle 1661]

From my handbook from my car, nz new F\L

For std 325i unladen, ready to drive etc, no spec equipment, Manual tranny. 1180kg\1200kg*.

*=4 door

Others:

325i Conv: 1310kg

Touring: 1270kg

325ix:1280\1300kg

IX Touring: 1350kg

316i and 318i: 1065\1085kg

[Gus 5]

the weights in the books are not really accurate I find...happy to stand corrected!

i weighed my facelift M325i, with 1 front seat, no rear seats and no boot lining - 1/2 tank of gas and it was 1180kg

fully loaded would be around 1250 i guess?

and they are not galvanised, the facelifts did have slightly better rust proofing however

Edited September 16, 2008 by The Gus

[bmpower 3]

Not quite.

Heaviest is auto 325i Conv at 1330kg, followed by auto 325i touring at 1290kg.

I stand corrected - I just took figures from my prefl handbook, which has no conv or touring info....

[tcbaurpower 5]

From reading the numbers the fastest way to lighten any model is to swap for a manual box, you save 20kg.

[Palazzo 474]

I stand corrected - I just took figures from my prefl handbook, which has no conv or touring info....

Strange. Mine does. Would be curious to check Gus's theory and weigh one.

[Cale 36]

Not quite.

Heaviest is auto 325i Conv at 1330kg, followed by auto 325i touring at 1290kg.

According to my Owners Manual which is for Touring/Vert:

Model----------0-100 (Auto/Man)--------Weight (Auto/Man)

320iT------------13.3/11.5--------------1250/1230

320iC------------13.3/11.5------------1300/1280

325iT------------10.1/8.8---------------1290/1270

325iC------------10.5/8.7---------------1330/1310

[Andrew 30]

the weights in the books are not really accurate I find...happy to stand corrected!

i weighed my facelift M325i, with 1 front seat, no rear seats and no boot lining - 1/2 tank of gas and it was 1180kg

fully loaded would be around 1250 i guess?

and they are not galvanised, the facelifts did have slightly better rust proofing however

And before that we weighed my PreFL 325 and it was 1080 with only front seats and no bootlining.