westy 614 Report post Posted September 6, 2009 So I threw the suspension at it to see whats what. Some guard work to do Trailing arm bracket. Some trimming needed. And a crap up skirt of a really grubby rear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Simon* Report post Posted September 6, 2009 Some guard work to do Some trimming needed. LOLSome understatement employed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew 30 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Wicked - looking really nice. Where will you cut the traliing arm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ari Gold Report post Posted September 7, 2009 You're a crazy bastard. Haha. What does the wife think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickSilver 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 How many grinding wheels have ya gone through ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ari Gold Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Probably don't want to spend the money but a 3 pedal or a two pedal setup like this would work very well... http://cardwells.co.nz/Documents/3pedalad33.pdf or http://cardwells.co.nz/Documents/Pedalassemblies11.pdf Heath, what do you know about running a pedal box with triple masters (clutch / twin master brake) with no vaccuum boost and large (4 piston smallest) calipers? What size masters front and rear would one be looking at to make un assisted braking even remotely comfortable for a fast road / track car? Obviously with a dual setup you can get rid of having to use a proportioning valve and can use a balance bar to change bias as conditions change, but is there any worry about having the masters below the calipers? Especially in a floor mounted setup, I imagine there would be less concern with an under slung setup. Any other thoughts would be appreciated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CamB 48 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Its not hard to get a good unassisted pedal pressure with the right master cylinders as long as the brakes are uprated diameter as well (more leverage). I've driven an E36 M3 up and down the road with a dual overslung (through the bulkhead) master cylinders and Evo VI (I think) 6 pot Brembos and the pedal felt pretty good, and I'm sure it would feel great when used in panic, err, I mean anger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Heath, what do you know about running a pedal box with triple masters (clutch / twin master brake) with no vaccuum boost and large (4 piston smallest) calipers? What size masters front and rear would one be looking at to make un assisted braking even remotely comfortable for a fast road / track car? Obviously with a dual setup you can get rid of having to use a proportioning valve and can use a balance bar to change bias as conditions change, but is there any worry about having the masters below the calipers? Especially in a floor mounted setup, I imagine there would be less concern with an under slung setup. Any other thoughts would be appreciated Wouldn't have a clue personally... thats a project later down the track... I know it's a very common setup for the uk pug boys... many of them make their own... We use clutch cables so there isn't a need for a clutch master... From what i've read it's all about getting the master cylinder size correct... There is a lot of companies that will on an exchange bais make a pedal kit for your car so it mounts into the factory locations... it gives you a lot more clearance as you loose the booster... I know one of the 206 guys found that the factory booster had a vaccum assist feature that if you hit the brakes hardish it would think your emergancy braking and would apply full brakes even when you didn't want them... It particularly became a problem after he removed the abs and it caused him to lock up a few times unexpectedly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ari Gold Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Its not hard to get a good unassisted pedal pressure with the right master cylinders as long as the brakes are uprated diameter as well (more leverage). I've driven an E36 M3 up and down the road with a dual overslung (through the bulkhead) master cylinders and Evo VI (I think) 6 pot Brembos and the pedal felt pretty good, and I'm sure it would feel great when used in panic, err, I mean anger. So basically as long as you match the brake masters to the piston diameter in the calipers, (within reason) you should be good to go? Does anyone know where I could find an online calculator or indeed a way to work out how to keep factory f/r bias (to start with) as I know the current and planned piston caliper sizes, just need to know how to keep it all close to spec. Though in saying that, how much does a booster really boost? I know a factory setup compared to a completely custom brake setup will be like comparing oranges to apples, but I just need a rough guide! Also, sorry Tony this is pretty OT, mods wanna clean this up into a little mini thread, that would be tops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nobimmer 694 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 In all seriousness Tony, I have a carton of 4 inch grinding discs if you need some. If you are over the shore sometime come grab em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westy 614 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) Grinding wheels seem to disappear round here. The 1mm ones I've been using are great and seem to last a little better than the cheapo 3mms. Can always do with more ha. I dont mind the pedal box convo, was curious myself but if you want it moved out I can. As for the trailing arm I'm looking at trimming as much off the side as I can and covering the rest with body work. It looks like I can get it down to approx 20mm and if I'm clever it may hide ok behind the panel. I did contemplate cutting the arm and moving the pickup inboard and I may still do but at this stage I'm trying to avoid that. Edited September 7, 2009 by westy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CamB 48 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 I am pretty sure both Wilwood and Tilton have equations etc on their websites somewhere. I suspect nothing beats experience though - find someone with the same calipers and see what they did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRTDVL 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) Ugh i'll see if i can remember the guys name... it's something like biltron or bitron engineer/automotive they are just by Hi Velocity on the shore, my mechanic's been taking my car there to sort out the brake problems we where having... He does a lot of rally car work so he would be a really good source of info... EDIT: Thanks to Google street view - the name is Berton Automotive... 4 Parity Pl, Auckland, New Zealand Address is approximate http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&sour...,204.66,,0,4.35 Edited September 7, 2009 by DRTDVL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westy 614 Report post Posted September 20, 2009 So I took the rather drastic step of measuring the setout of the car with the new front and rear suspension!! Layed some cutting paper under the car and dropped the important locations onto it with the most accurate bubblestick I could find. After spending an age setting the front to straight and fiddling with the rear trailing arm mounts it turns out that, to my endless relief, the car is well within the 3mm tolerance that I set (plucked out of mid air). And one more hammer for Simon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greg111 13 Report post Posted September 20, 2009 Coming along nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Simon* Report post Posted September 21, 2009 Nice! So gash I love it There's nothing quite as satisfying as dishing out a good bit of poundage. That's a pretty small hammer though Tony Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ari Gold Report post Posted September 21, 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westy 614 Report post Posted September 21, 2009 One divine hammer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*Glenn* 854 Report post Posted September 21, 2009 Am I right in presuming the final colour is going to be "RED" Tony ? Maybe Imola Red ? Was just making a prediction from looking at the front end picks Well done on all the measurements Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westy 614 Report post Posted September 21, 2009 Its a leading contender although the primer on the front is only to stop the surface rust untill I get into the paint prep proper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenday-rulz21 6 Report post Posted September 21, 2009 This is by far my favourite project atm. She's coming along great Tony. Am I right in presuming the final colour is going to be "RED" Tony ? Maybe Imola Red ?Imola Red = Hottest BMW red around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ari Gold Report post Posted September 21, 2009 The red is just primer / rust inhibitor I imagine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westy 614 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Some opinions please... Not to bad, is it horribly obvious, can you even tell? Bear in mind there'll be some shaping and a bigarse flares required. I think I can work with it.... Ta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bravo 35 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Why don't you do an m3-style widebody? It's really hard to see what it really looks like in the photographs. Some bg flares and maybe side-skirts would make it blend in to the background I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrantiC Report post Posted September 23, 2009 yeah, i bet from the back with the small rear valance of the pre F/l models, the wheels stick out like dogs balls. m3 widebody wouldn't be a bad idea though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites