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Nice 2005 M3 for sale in Welly

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FFS...it's a manual gearbox as you have complete control over when you change gear.

Yea most modern autos let you do that...

It's operating the clutch and changing the gear for you...

If you still don't get it, look up manual and automatic in a dictionary. I don't get why we're going against basic English when it comes to gearboxes?

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i still think its quite simple. It doesnt matter what its made of, whats in it, or what happens when you shift it "manually", if it can change gears by its self without input from the driver, it should not be classified as a Manual.

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How about not auto, not manual, just call it what it is.... SMG!

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John would probably have a good laugh at this thread. Always liked his Cars and Bikes.

Fully optioned 2005 M3 just hit 100,000 kms and only $25k

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i can move the automatic selector and move through all 4 gears in my E30 with complete control as well, it also has no clutch pedal. Can I list it as a manual?

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If it has a traditional clutch plate that disengages during gear changes....sure.

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If it has a traditional clutch plate that disengages during gear changes....sure.

the torques converter disengages. its a different method to do the same thing, just like an electronic control unit replaces someones leg, right?

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If it has a traditional clutch plate that disengages during gear changes....sure.

Nope, it still has an option to shift gears by its self. Not a manual. If it was modified to be manually shifted ONLY, with no option of an automatic mode, then yes, even if it doesnt have a clutch pedal or even a clutch, i would classify it as a manual.

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It really comes down to basic English. Is it operated automatically or manually? Dictionary makes no mention of clutch or torque converter when defining these words...

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Who gives a sh*t? It is what it is. People are always going to market something to seem more appealing to a buyer just to get that initial interest.

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