BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 Seems like a nice car. I know these can be hard to sell sometimes .. . . . . . https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1446063587 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
far4ngn 14 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 Looks very similar to my old one, even with the plastic front bumper flares... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TermiPeteNZ 1316 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 Very nice Special features - zenon lights and black lather! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle 1659 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 Makes me chuckle when people do the old 'chain driven so no need to worry about cambelt' line. Yeah no cambelt but you get cost cutted chain design that only lasts twice as long as a cambelt but costs 3x as much to fix. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) It depends whether the chain guides were made out of the blue melted jelly beans or the black ones. Dunno if it is true but I heard that the non vanos ones seem to last longer. Edited October 23, 2017 by BlackAngel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MD13 492 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 Always admire the balls on people that do $1 auctions. I'm picking high 7's\low 8's. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qube 3570 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 I reckon it will close around 5k 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted October 23, 2017 Yeah, I get a bit suspicious of some of the bids on the $1 reserve auctions. I'm thinking it will be around $5k as well, which would be a steal if you're in the market for one. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle 1659 Report post Posted October 24, 2017 13 hours ago, BlackAngel said: It depends whether the chain guides were made out of the blue melted jelly beans or the black ones. Dunno if it is true but I heard that the non vanos ones seem to last longer. Seems to the case but there are many more vanos ones around compared to NV +1 around 5k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hqstu 780 Report post Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Eagle said: +1 around 5k Sweepstake? Come on - put yours in to nearest hundy... prize is basking in 15s of online glory.. $5.3k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle 1659 Report post Posted October 25, 2017 Haha sure. 4.8k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qube 3570 Report post Posted October 25, 2017 $5185 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted October 25, 2017 $5575.99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treone 644 Report post Posted October 27, 2017 $5,840 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olaf 3308 Report post Posted October 27, 2017 Here's the kicker: "-- Chain driven so no need to worry about cam-belt" That's why the blow up - people don't do the cam chain, service. That simple statement belies that this car hasn't had that essential service (the vendor would have said if it had done), so you'd be looking for headroom to spend more than a grand on it. $4,365. cos it looks cosmetically beaut. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) What does the chain service involve? chains and guides? or just tensioners? Edited October 29, 2017 by BlackAngel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabe79 410 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 46 minutes ago, BlackAngel said: What does the chain service involve? chains and guides? or just tensioners? When I was looking to buy an e39, I asked this question. We discussed it here: It's the chain guides that evaporate. The service would then involve replacing those, as well as the other bits and bobs in between. It's a very involved job, 20-50 hours, depending on level of skill, likely closer to the top end. Numbers range from $2-3k for DIY, (Part alone can run you $1500ish...) up to $7k. I've read many differing accounts on this. Personally, I stayed away. That said, there are thousands of these motors out in the wild and we certainly don't read about all the ones that lasted a long time, so there must be some measure of confirmation bias happening where the perception these self destructing is probably stronger than the reality... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olaf 3308 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 possibly not to same degree as the N42 motor crapping out, though my workshop has seen a few of these V8s suffering from chocolate cam chain guides... some caught before major damage, some afterwards. Perhaps more M62 V8's have attracted the right level of service in more instances based on more costly toy to begin with (deeper pockets for maintenance), compared with N42. Given our collective understanding of BMW plastics, and knowing these items (the chocolate cam-chain guides) are a weak point, if maintenance is ignored it's more a 'when' rather than 'if', surely? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle 1659 Report post Posted October 30, 2017 No shortage of 316's & 318's around so would think you are far more likely to see them coming in broke. Either way the cause is the same - cost cutting in same way. No doubt there are a few factors that can prolong the lifespan but it's always a when when dealing with a flawed product. As most know the M60 chain setup is the far superior setup in basically the exact same config. Ive never heard of read of one single chain failure myself and most of these have done well over 300,000km and in older cars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olaf 3308 Report post Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Eagle said: As most know the M60 chain setup is the far superior setup in basically the exact same config. Ive never heard of read of one single chain failure myself and most of these have done well over 300,000km and in older cars. I'm confused. it's "far superior", whilst being "basically the exact same config"? M60 vs M62 cam timing engineering and implementation differences. Discuss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle 1659 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 Sorry wording wasn't the best. What i was trying to say if an average person looked at both engines in the car they would think they were the same. Sure there was a thread recently discussing the chain setup. Look at a M60 and M62 timing diagram on Realoem etc and its pretty obvious. Basic summary: M60: Duplex chain with idler sprocket between banks M62: Single row chain with plastic chain guide between banks. This was done supposedly done to reduce weight (lol) make it cheaper to produce (yep im sure) and allow room for vanos solenoids. The M62 has it advantages but imo the M60 is BMW's most reliable V8 engine, esp in the E32\E34 body. M62 CCV setup is better which can be swapped in. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olaf 3308 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 thanks Jared, appreciate you taking the time to help me understand. Wow, dropping both the idler cog and duplex chain, *plus* chocolate guides? Yeah, that looks less than ideal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 I guess it was weight reduction to offset the rotating weight of the vanos and just overall reduction of rotational inertia = quicker rev times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qube 3570 Report post Posted November 2, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 9:09 AM, BlackAngel said: $5575.99 winner! Sold for $5600! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackAngel 60 Report post Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) On 10/24/2017 at 7:43 PM, hqstu said: Sweepstake? Come on - put yours in to nearest hundy... prize is basking in 15s of online glory.. $5.3k Does my 15s start now? *Ahem* "Thank you very much. I'll be here all week" [/drop mike] Edited November 2, 2017 by BlackAngel 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites