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Govt Breathes New Life Into "Clean Car" Legislation

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Now that Winston Peters is no longer in a position to block the idea through Parliament the Government have resurrected a revised version of the "clean car" scheme.

Details are a little vague at this point, in terms of incentives to the consumer, and the emphasis is on the importers (new and used) to balance the numbers on what they are bringing in. In the immediate term, I would say this would impact mildly on the new car buyer and would take a while to flow through into the used car / classic part of the market.

Interestingly the current 20 years or older excemption for emissions is looking to be extended out to 40 years and even then only for certain vehicles. This would have a more direct effect some modern classics, E46 M3 for example.

Details of the proposal can be found here..

https://autotalk.co.nz/news/how-will-the-clean-car-importation-standard-work

 

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Exemptions; scratch built vehicles and modified vehicles certified by the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association Incorporated.

Good to know my coilover & manual swap cert will make me exempt - maybe I'll keep the E46 forever 😎

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On average, New Zealanders pay 65 percent more in annual vehicle fuel costs than people in the European Union, even though Europe’s petrol prices are higher.

I would like to see how they came to this figure.
I have questions.  E.g. does it take into consideration our extremely inefficient roading and poor town/city to town/city public transport?

But I would guess it comes down to our ancient fleet and love of modern yet inefficient Utes.
Shame buying a new efficient non boring/ugly car is out of reach for most NZer's due to our terrible finance and lease programs.

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Tax benefits for utes x utes being driven like they're stolen = absurd fuel consumption numbers. I suspect most of them are averaging 15l/100k.

(for reference my diesel with predominantly urban driving long term averages 6.8/100)

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On ‎1‎/‎29‎/‎2021 at 9:02 AM, Driftit said:

But I would guess it comes down to our ancient fleet and love of modern yet inefficient Utes.
Shame buying a new efficient non boring/ugly car is out of reach for most NZer's due to our terrible finance and lease programs.

Market stats tend to show two things about Kiwi buyers (as an overall sweeping statement) they tend to buy Ute / SUV vehicles or performance vehicles (STi, HSV, AMG, M, etc) in much higher numbers than most other markets. Combined with the fact there is no feasible public transport in most areas, and the spread of the population across large areas (=longer distances travelled by car) as you say Dan, equals very high fuel usage for the population at large.

It will be interesting to see if the number of vehicles (cars, SUVs, Utes, Light vans) exceeds the number of people in NZ for the last year. It was getting close to parity in the last figures that I saw. Most houses have two or three cars (more for bigger families with kids that drive) these days (not to mention, boats, quads, jet-skis, weed-eaters, etc) so again more kms travelled and more fuel used.

The age of the average car in NZ is also an issue, in terms of both safety features, and emissions / fuel consumption levels. Now you could argue the number of vehicles in NZ v the number of trees we have it isn't an issue, but I guess every little bit helps, which is what the government is aiming for here, especially when we have renewable generation of most of our electricity so EVs are a viable alternative here.

With this type of legislation the intention is always to improve the age of the fleet and get the "old dungers" off the road, however, it is questionable as to whether this works in reality. The type of owner that has the "old dunger" is not really going to be able to move up into a newer clean / efficient vehicle, and the vehicles that are slightly better than what they currently have are going to be fewer and far between. So the outcome is often that they stick with what they have and patch it up to keep it going, which has the opposite effect. Only time will tell...

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Has anyone come across what the governments plan for recycling Electric vehicles will be?
Or are we just going to make that out of sight out of mind?  Ship it to some 3rd world country.

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I'll stick to my gas guzzling, high emissions 25 year-old 'dungers' me thinks 😉

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Had a large number of enquiries on EVs today at work strangely enough....

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On 2/1/2021 at 6:45 PM, treone said:

I'll stick to my gas guzzling, high emissions 25 year-old 'dungers' me thinks 😉

There is an argument that this approach is better for the planet... no added emissions for the manufacture of a new vehicle if you keep the old one.

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On 2/1/2021 at 11:52 AM, E30 325i Rag-Top said:

Market stats tend to show two things about Kiwi buyers (as an overall sweeping statement) they tend to buy Ute / SUV vehicles or

As above the reason for this is quite simple The tax laws go out of their way to prevent people buying sensible cars  and most [people simply take the ute option because its cool and it gets around the FBT tax crap with no effort. 

The law literally  says that a "work vehicle cannot be  a  passenger car car"  show me an efficent EV or hybrid that isn't a 'passenger car' maybe they should align the tax law with policy ??? 

 

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On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2021 at 7:19 PM, 3pedals said:

show me an efficent EV or hybrid that isn't a 'passenger car' maybe they should align the tax law with policy ??? 

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I was going to add all the BEV / PHEV SUVs but I think you are combining that segment in with 'passenger cars', so have left those out.

In all honesty it is the light commerical / SUV segment that is most suited to battery electric power currently, as these are big heavy vehicles in ICE guise, so the addtion of a load of heavy batteries to give a decent range keeps it in the same wieght v performance category.

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5 hours ago, E30 325i Rag-Top said:

 

I was going to add all the BEV / PHEV SUVs but I think The tax department  are combining that segment in with 'passenger cars', so have left those out.

In all honesty it is the light commerical / SUV segment that is most suited to battery electric power currently, as these are big heavy vehicles in ICE guise, so the addtion of a load of heavy batteries to give a decent range keeps it in the same wieght v performance category.

The Rivian & Tesla both claim to have a swathe of point attributes so the appeal to the numpty/ small dick  market  and they dont actually exist and at $75 US for the rivian - who would buy such a stupid piece of engineering and abysmal design?? 

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On 2/1/2021 at 4:21 PM, Driftit said:

Has anyone come across what the governments plan for recycling Electric vehicles will be?
Or are we just going to make that out of sight out of mind?  Ship it to some 3rd world country.

Hahaha. 

Apparently turn the batteries into street lighting power sources powered by solar, some clowns say.

It's just a money grab all this new tech and new sector of the industry.

Someone else can work out the problems in the coming decades. 

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2 hours ago, Michael. said:

Hahaha. 

Apparently turn the batteries into street lighting power sources powered by solar, some clowns say.

It's just a money grab all this new tech and new sector of the industry.

Someone else can work out the problems in the coming decades. 

We have been doing this for about 10 years, batteries come out of EV's when they drop to about 80% capacity . We install them in back up supplies for cell phone towers and critical lighting  then  they are good for at least 15 years ,  and what do we do then - we recycle them which is quite easy.  

 Yes you can use them for street lighting and I am currently designing this into a remote roadway in NZ because it's cheaper than running grid sourced power to the location.  never mind the cost in diesel etc.  to trench and duct to the location.

It's not a money grab or ditching on future generations it's engineered sustainability - last project I saved you  the tax payer $23 grand a year on the lighting power bill and over $3 million is construction costs  - lucky we have "clowns" ??  

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^ Lol you sound fun.

Fire up some more coal plants I say! China is! 

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On 1/29/2021 at 12:30 PM, balancerider said:

Tax benefits for utes x utes being driven like they're stolen = absurd fuel consumption numbers. I suspect most of them are averaging 15l/100k.

(for reference my diesel with predominantly urban driving long term averages 6.8/100)

How do you figure that...

I can get high 7s in the Ranger and Hilux, and when towing about 2.5t over the north Island mid 13s. 

New Ranger with the 2.0 is said to get in the 6s. 

 

I see the green faction is stepping up the hate on Utes as of late. 

Enviro nazis using emotive phrases but no logic to get the gullible on board and guilt trip those who own one or are contemplating it. 

Anti motoring rehtoric pushed by green ideology, politicians and the media. They're targeting Utes, which appear to have some support on here. But what next, your 30 year old car? Your modern car which is perceived to have an engine larger than what is needed because some bureaucrat said so? 

All these things are stepping stone to more regulation, control and tax. 

 

For what the Utes are, and are capable of, the misinformation said about them is unwarranted.

 

BTW, no fan of dual cab Utes by any means. Mainly due to the floggers who drive them. They're the most over priced, over rated and under developed vehicles out there.

Scrap FBT loop hole and get employees back into mid size cars like Camrys, Mazda 6, Mondeo as they were in the 80s and 90s. Before the ute fashion statement took off. 

 

 

 

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Most decent modern 3 litre diesels will do 7-8l/100 in a decent sized wagen and provide decent torque for towing , but thats not the point. 

 It's all the floggers driving around in those useless double cabs with the kids in the back of a "work vehicle"  when as you quite rightly point out they could be driving around in a mid sized car , except the  FBT rules don't allow it .

The FBT rules also don't allow personal use of the 'flogger utes' either but who believes that is being complied with. 

 

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The reference to Ute fuel consumption was in response to the assumption they’re gas guzzlers, which they’re not. 
 

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Yep, got that , was making the point that 3 litres seems to be the sweet spot, smaller over boosted 2 litres don't tow well and larger 4 litres do drink a bit - mates Landcruiser wont go under 13 l/100k  and yses I know its not a ute but it has similar running gear and towing capacity. 

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On 2/7/2021 at 1:29 PM, 3pedals said:

We have been doing this for about 10 years, batteries come out of EV's when they drop to about 80% capacity . We install them in back up supplies for cell phone towers and critical lighting  then  they are good for at least 15 years ,  and what do we do then - we recycle them which is quite easy.  

 Yes you can use them for street lighting and I am currently designing this into a remote roadway in NZ because it's cheaper than running grid sourced power to the location.  never mind the cost in diesel etc.  to trench and duct to the location.

It's not a money grab or ditching on future generations it's engineered sustainability - last project I saved you  the tax payer $23 grand a year on the lighting power bill and over $3 million is construction costs  - lucky we have "clowns" ??  

How many batteries are you recycling each year for street lighting.

 

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Plenty of other companies out there giving EV batteries a second use.

Also a number of companies re-manufacturing / fixing / re-cycling EV batteries. Not sure there are any here in NZ but definitely in Aussie.

Iirc BMW also has a “whole of life” plan for all of its EV batteries so they are either re-used or disposed of properly and not just dumped.

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