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Why is it that people are so offended that it's now listed at a higher price? The marker will decide what it's worth. How are capital gains on cars different from capital gains on houses? Its listed at a reasonable price. Nobody has a gun to your head telling you to buy it.. if you're not interested, move along. The fact that I got it for a good price is because I took a risk and bought it- anyone else could have done the same.

The only negative thing I see here is that I didn't pick it up for $20k... to do exactly what Brad's doing. My loss. I hope he sells it for close to what he's asking, I think it's probably worth around that. It's not like he saw it in a back yard and conned an old granny out of it, it was advertised publicly and he purchased it publicly at a price the seller was happy with. Perhaps the seller really needed $20k cash quick and didn't care what it was worth. We can't know. That Brad knows what it's probably worth is hardly a crime. I think most of the butt-hurt comes from people realising, after the fact, that they missed out on a killer deal. If you knew the margin on wine at a supermarket would you stop buying it? Not if you liked wine. GLWS.

I think if you look at the threads in this trademe section flippers are treated with distain, but because it's someone within the community people are acting differently.

it could have easily gone the other way and the buyer could have had to spend $5-10 to fix up any potential issues. The fact that the car turned out better than expected is Brad's luck and irrespective of any price he paid for it. Also, it is his freedom to list it for whatever he wants to sell it for. No justification needed. As previously mentioned, nothing different to buying and flipping houses for a capital gain except the lack of CGT Also, a good set of photos and an accurate description should help sell it at a more reasonable price - something the previous seller did not do. Time to move along I say.

This. It was not that long ago ‘the community’ was ripping into dealers who were doing the exact same thing. Remember the E36 M3’s? So other than hypocrisy, whats the difference here? Nothing wrong with people wanting to make a quick buck, but please, lets not be two-faced about it ?

Good discussion and fair points whichever side (or middle) of the issue you sit at. It's just good that the forum can discuss such a topic. I'm lucky to own such a car, and have seen Brad's nice example the other day. I'd like to think they are worth a sh#t ton more than what recent sales suggest, but the NZ market is tiny. One can't compare offshore asking prices to NZ, it just doesn't work like that.. Supply / Demand. The purchase price is just the start of the "journey" with these incredible cars and if you are teetering on the brink for arguably the finest M car ever... I'd just say do it. Whether you paid 20 , 25, 32 or more, is really immaterial a few years down the track... just ask me...

Haha I have had a few.. yes. When I mention risk, I mean I hit buy now on a highly strung M car with no PPI, minimal detail and no confirmation of service history. Now that I have the car and have checked it out, I can confirm it's a good car which has been well looked after with good history. Im sure other e39 M5 owners would vouch for it, though I'm not asking them to. I've listed as a classified so people can inspect it and get a PPI and be satisfied with what they're buying.

I don’t think the forum has anything to do with it. Are we now the 2nd hand car selling police or something? How long should someone hold this car for before they sell it and what gives you the right to pass judgment on that? I think it’s a pretty slippery slope of moral relativism, and if we are all truely above blame on anything like this in our lives then we can all cast the first stone. I dunno, I find it hard to get worked up over some guy I don’t know, selling a car I don’t wish to own for more than he bought it. Don’t these things sell all day long for circa $30K anyway?

Who cares what it sold for previously? If you want to spend $30K on it, spend it. If not, don’t.

You will never drain it completely in car. Drain it, refill with new oil, run it for ten minutes, then drain it again before removing the pan. Then replace the filter and refit the pan with new gasket and carry out the refill process.. I would not carry out the above process with the risk of running it dry while doing so. If you want I can PM my contact number

We've got a commie here guys

Vast improvement on earlier maps Herb? Having my intake and valves cleaned today, mechanic called today and said "up with the worst carbon build up he has seen" Excites me, as tomorrow I will have 25-30% more air flow than I had yesterday!!

There might be some truth in that, it's easier to be critical of people you're not in close social proximity to, or unlikely to meet. Just spend 5 mins on any social media platform to prove that. But I don't think that's the crux of it in this case. Most "flippers" that I recall us being critical of are those that are trying to on-sell to an unsuspecting mug for above market value and that's certainly not the case here. Anyone who buys an E39 M5 in 2020 is going in with their eyes wide open. I don't think we're regularly bagging on people that are selling vehicles for a fair market price, regardless of what they paid for them. We also need to accept the risk Brad is taking. If there was only 1 buyer at $20k, how many will there be at $30k? He may have to wait a substantial amount of time. He''s had more cars than I've had bananas, he loves it, he lives it, power to him. A mate of mine bought a CSL for ~$50k, recently sold it for ~$100k... as @NZ BMW asks, how long did he have to own it to make that fair to the new owner?

Hey dude if i can go back to basics a bit here is my humble opinion to someone who hasn't had a Euro before! ( based on my Ownership of 2 BMW's so far): i generally give NZ new a bit more priority or at least a well maintained one with service history- unlike Japanese cars that thrive on neglect euros don't ? Lowered cars- i am always a bit dubious of these, BMW's sit pretty low as it is and handle bloody well straight out of the box. Maybe its done well, maybe not but i think these things have an amazing ability to be super smooth yet turn corners really well i wonder if it is done for anything other than looks? That burgundy car auction 2566301665 is the car i would go for, the colour doesn't look as cool in the pictures as the red one you are looking at but i have a friend with a coupe in that colour and it looks awesome in the flesh. Again you want to check on what has been maintained/ replaced lately. Again i agree with a lot of the guys here; a car with a good service history, stuff done when it should be done would be preferable to one without. If you are keen on a car firstly find out what has been done to the car, who serviced it and talk to them. If not take it to a reputable mechanic who knows these cars and get them to check it out first. i hope this helps, i just know what its like not to know! Goffy

Got every right to express my opinion. If you dont like it or have anything positive to say, take your own advice and move on from this thread

I'm pretty neutral on the matter, it's something most do to varying degrees that i have no real issue with as long as they being dishonest about anything. People just about never tell you what they bought something for when selling if they got a bargain (unlike the opposite) which tells you something about the human psyche. Personally when ive got good deals on things and haven't invested much time into them then ill give someone else a good deal if they are a reputable buyer. 30k is a fair market price and the rest is purely subjective

Nothing healthy about your comments all through this thread dude. No need to be salty that someone bought a car for cheap and is selling it for a higher price. As mentioned the market will decide. If you have nothing positive to say then move on from this thread.

I'm interested how you completely misinterpreted my comment to having a go at the owner. To clarify I said the owner will probably sell it for what he is asking and that one particular White Knight (noun - a person or thing that comes to someone's aid.) would offer the owner a turn on his Mrs for succeeding. I couldn't care less that the guy is flipping the car. Just laughing at his comment section.

To me people can ask whatever price they like as is their right, just like people have to right to freedom of information in these situations.

I care. Not spending 30k on a car that was 20k less than a month ago and would make sure others dont get ripped off either. That's a "healthy forum culture".

Good luck finding popcorn, it’s thin on the ground thanks to coronavirus panic-buying. almost as rare as e39 M5’s

2.0 and 2.5 six cyl e30 have same calipers (two different manufacturers hence two different rebuild kits, though same pads irrespective of caliper manufacturer) and rotors. What are you looking to acheive with brake upgrades, and where's your system at currently? General consensus is that the stock e30 braking system is fine for ~220bhp with careful choice of rotors, pads, fluids for application (road, fast road, track days). HTH.

For a moderator you're pretty loose with keeping the forum rules. I thought Bimmersport were trying to build a healthy forum culture rather than try tear into people. I'm mates with Brad and posted on TradeMe that cause I thought some of the comments were dumb ones from Warriors. Didn't need to get personal about a TradeMe comment, just keep it civil. "*You are obviously allowed your point of view / opinion but it must be kept civil. * Treat others how you would like to be treated .. and have fun."

That comment section. Warriors vs White Knights. I'm pretty sure one of those white knights would let you have a turn on his Mrs if you sell it for that much (which you probably will).

Photos are definately 60% better. Looks great.

Waterpump and thermostat on 330

Not an M Sport so doesn’t look externally as good or have the sports seats. The red body colour over white leather with wood trim is not a common (read popular) combination, so unless it’s really hit a spot with you look for other examples. E91s are great all round cars, extremely practical and drive nicely, although as above the mags and lowering will probably have a negative effect on that.

Oops...? Suffice to say I’ve definitely got an affliction for classic BMWs